Please if anyone could help me about how to use Gtalk in Ubuntu 7.10? thanks Regards, Prakhar Agarwal
On Jan 12, 2008 7:38 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Send ilugd mailing list submissions to > ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ilugd digest..." > > > Please trim replies before posting. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ATI Driver Install Issue (Sahil Dave) > 2. Re: AMD 64 X2 linux install issue (Sahil Dave) > 3. Re: Linux webcam (Sriram J) > 4. Re: Linux webcam (Anoop John) > 5. Re: Linux webcam (Raj Mathur) > 6. Re: ATI Driver Install Issue (Karanbir Singh) > 7. Re: Linux webcam (Kenneth Gonsalves) > 8. Re: Linux webcam (Karanbir Singh) > 9. Re: Linux webcam (Karanbir Singh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:45:36 +0530 > From: "Sahil Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ilugd] ATI Driver Install Issue > To: "ILUG-D Discuss" <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > hi, > > i have installed the ATI graphics for my on-board gpu (Xpress 1250) > have tried doing the default config. by: > > $aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf > > but the following error comes on reboot and there is no gui. > > *Error Log: only the relevant part* > (II) LoadModule: "fglrx" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/fglrx_drv.so > dlopen: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/fglrx_drv.so > (II) UnloadModule: "fglrx" > (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (loader failed, 7) > (II) LoadModule: "kbd" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//input/kbd_drv.so > (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.2.2 > Module class: X.Org XInput Driver > ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7 > (II) LoadModule: "mouse" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//input/mouse_drv.so > (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.2.3 > Module class: X.Org XInput Driver > ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7 > (EE) No drivers available. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > > can anyone help...?? > -- > Sahil > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:48:14 +0530 > From: "Sahil Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] AMD 64 X2 linux install issue > To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Jan 7, 2008 11:51 PM, Anoop John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > does AMD 64X2 only supports 64-bit distros, is there any way around > > > > this...?? > > > I have been able to successfully install Ubuntu 7.10 32bit edition on > > > Athlon X2 processors. What is the exact error message that you are > > > getting? Edit the boot options and take out the quiet and splash > > > options while booting Ubuntu installation CD and check for the error > > > messages. > > > > > > fedora 8 installed correctly once i inserted 'acpi=off' option. my mobo is > not supporting acpi with linux i-386. > > -- > Sahil > > MCA(SE) > USIT > GGSIPU, Kashmere Gate > Delhi > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:15:53 +0530 > From: "Sriram J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam > To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > I burnt my hand recently after buying a $90 Logitech quickcam pro or > > something. As my bad luck turned out, this needed the exact driver which > > was pulled out from the Linux kernel in a big public spat [1]. My bad, > > I should have checked before that flash of impulsive buying. I had to > > donate the cam to my brother who happily runs it on his XP (blech). > > > > [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/99615/ > > > > Can some one tell me what is the positioning of linux as an operating > system. > who are target audience/consumers of linux supposed to be. > > is it for the general users who want an alternative for windows or the few > fakirs[1] who put ideology above all and are not willing to compromise at > any cost. > > is linux intended by design to always remain out of the reach of the > person > who refuses to jump through hoops to get the hardware to work . > > i myself back in the days had to switch to windows because i bought an > unsupported video card and did not have the money to buy an new one. > > > [1] Definitions of *fakir* on the Web > A performer of seemingly miraculous feats (such as firewalking, snake > charming and lying on a bed of nails) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:59:21 +0530 > From: "Anoop John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam > To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > is it for the general users who want an alternative for windows or the > few > > fakirs[1] who put ideology above all and are not willing to compromise > at > > any cost. > > Ultimately - yes - the general user. For the fakirs - absolutely yes > :). GNU/Linux distros has almost reached a state where it works > straight out of the box for most of the common hardware. Ex: Ubuntu, > Fedora. > It is not wrong to hold on to ideology. Not everybody does that and > those who do that are very valuable contributors to the community. > People who hold fast to ideologies normally tend to be the hardest > workers too and would do anything to promote their ideologies. > > > is linux intended by design to always remain out of the reach of the > person > > who refuses to jump through hoops to get the hardware to work . > > Like I mentioned before, it works for most hardware. But for those > that do not - there are two reasons. Primarily it is because the > hardware vendor does not release specs. The second reason is that the > hardware that are not supported tend to be not so common devices or > brands that does not have enough developer users who can spend time in > reverse engineering a driver. > > > i myself back in the days had to switch to windows because i bought an > > unsupported video card and did not have the money to buy an new one. > > I can empathize with you. I have been able to get most of the hardware > that I use and that I sell to work well with Ubuntu but for those that > I could not, I had to give up. I have not had to switch to Windows > though :). > > Cheers > Anoop > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.zyxware.com > http://www.thondomraughts.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Be the change you wish to see in the world > M. K. Gandhi > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:42:28 +0530 > From: Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam > To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Saturday 12 Jan 2008, Sriram J wrote: > >[snip] > > Can some one tell me what is the positioning of linux as an > > operating system. > > who are target audience/consumers of linux supposed to be. > > > > is it for the general users who want an alternative for windows or > > the few fakirs[1] who put ideology above all and are not willing to > > compromise at any cost. > > > > is linux intended by design to always remain out of the reach of the > > person who refuses to jump through hoops to get the hardware to work > > . > > > > i myself back in the days had to switch to windows because i bought > > an unsupported video card and did not have the money to buy an new > > one. > > The reason you may face issues with some hardware with Linux is that the > OS grew organically, not from committee. The first developers of Linux > were all programmers. As a programmer, what do you think I'd want to > develop first for a new platform, a good text editor that allows me to > write more code, or a set of pretty icons that make my desktop look > beautiful but don't help me with my job at all? > > That's not to say that Linux doesn't have beautiful icons, just that > programmers like to solve their own problems first. Which is why Linux > has one of the most solid IP stacks in the world, and is stable and > secure -- I'd be more interested in having a fast, stable, safe system > first and an easy to use one (for some values of ``easy to use'') > later. > > Today there's enough momentum and stability with Linux to enable > developers to look at other aspects of computing, namely ease of use > and aesthetics. Examples of applications that perform as well as or > better than their proprietary counterparts include KDE and > OpenOffice.org. Agreed, Linux still lags in certain areas (e.g. webcam > support), but given the pace at which development is happening, that's > not likely to be an issue for long. After all, it still installs and > runs on more and more diverse hardware than, say, Winduhs could even > dream of :) > > Also note that a lot of the issues that you have in mind are due to > vendors not providing Linux developers with adequate specifications to > allow them (the developers) to build drivers for utilising their (the > vendors') hardware. If you find that Linux doesn't support your > Phillips webcam (because Phillips refuses to share interfaces with the > developer community), would you blame Linux or Phillips? If your > proprietary Nvidia drivers crash your laptop on suspend or resume, > wouldn't you agree that the blame lies with Nvidia for not working with > developers and assisting them in developing open source drivers for > their graphics cards? The developers are willing but the company is > weak ;) > > So yes, problems remain; some of them are because of low interest in the > developers for a particular feature, and some are due to close-minded > vendors who cling to some perceived business advantage at the risk of > alienating a growing part of their market. But keep writing, at least > we have a great support infrastructure (voted the best in the world a > few years ago :) > > Regards, > > - -- Raju > - -- > Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ > Freedom in Technology & Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ > GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F > PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHiGhiyWjQ78xo0X8RAsDBAJ4uXg3wP1cUXSBIt8Ma63QUmVIOtwCfa3HA > eJkd8AzcZuL3httX5d3l1gM= > =I7Bo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:45:19 +0000 > From: Karanbir Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] ATI Driver Install Issue > To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sahil Dave wrote: > > (II) LoadModule: "fglrx" > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/fglrx_drv.so > > dlopen: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > > directory > > > yum install 'libstdc++.so.5' > > > > -- > Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:25:51 +0530 > From: Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Linux-Delhi mailing list > <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On 12-Jan-08, at 12:42 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: > > >> i myself back in the days had to switch to windows because i bought > >> an unsupported video card and did not have the money to buy an new > >> one. > > > > The reason you may face issues with some hardware with Linux is > > that the > > OS grew organically, not from committee. The first developers of > > Linux > > were all programmers. > > you mean other operating systems were not developed by programmers? > Or that the current developers of Linux are not programmers? > > > As a programmer, what do you think I'd want to > > develop first for a new platform, a good text editor that allows me to > > write more code, or a set of pretty icons that make my desktop look > > beautiful but don't help me with my job at all? > > there are many kinds of programmers. And many programmers *need* > those icons to help them in their job. They aren't all sitting around > coding in vi. Significant number of them use macs. It is not that > they didn't want icons, or that they didn't need all the ease of use > - it is just that the os was evolving - and is still evolving. And > new products are, by their nature, crude. > > > > Today there's enough momentum and stability with Linux to enable > > developers to look at other aspects of computing, namely ease of use > > and aesthetics. > > ease of use and aesthetics are fundamental to computing - not some > frills to be added on. But definition of ease of use and aesthetics > differ. Most people dont understand the difference between 'ease of > use' and 'familiarity'. A windoze user finds windows easy to use > because he is familiar with it. Accustomed to it. I have seen people > for whom linux was their first OS totally bewildered when trying to > negotiate windows. They say mac interface is easy to use - but even > after a year and a half using it, I still struggle to do things that > are dead simple in linux. I also struggle the few times I am forced > to use windows, but the interface that drives me nuts is gnome. > > > > Also note that a lot of the issues that you have in mind are due to > > vendors not providing Linux developers with adequate specifications to > > allow them (the developers) to build drivers for utilising their (the > > vendors') hardware. > > why should they? They are in business to make money. Our job is to > convince them that releasing their specs will help them make more money > > > If you find that Linux doesn't support your > > Phillips webcam (because Phillips refuses to share interfaces with the > > developer community), would you blame Linux or Phillips? > > I would blame linux > > > If your > > proprietary Nvidia drivers crash your laptop on suspend or resume, > > wouldn't you agree that the blame lies with Nvidia for not working > > with > > developers and assisting them in developing open source drivers for > > their graphics cards? The developers are willing but the company is > > weak ;) > > the company wants to be strong - and will support linux when they > realise that 'linux compatible' means something to the customer - not > before > > > > > So yes, problems remain; some of them are because of low interest > > in the > > developers for a particular feature, and some are due to close-minded > > vendors who cling to some perceived business advantage at the risk of > > alienating a growing part of their market. But keep writing, at least > > we have a great support infrastructure (voted the best in the world a > > few years ago :) > > true > > > -- > regards > > Kenneth Gonsalves > Associate, NRC-FOSS > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ > > Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:04:31 +0000 > From: Karanbir Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam > To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> The reason you may face issues with some hardware with Linux is > >> that the > >> OS grew organically, not from committee. The first developers of > >> Linux > >> were all programmers. > > > > you mean other operating systems were not developed by programmers? > > Or that the current developers of Linux are not programmers? > > Other operating systems are not designed by programmrs, no. For the > mainstream player definitions of 'Other'. Most of them are designed by a > committee against what they interpret to be saleable or marketable > features. > > Then there is also the user base issue - Which is why only a small > subset of Webcams work on OSX, much much lesser in numbers than what > works on Linux :D And almost NONE of the real enterprise type storage > solutions work on OSX. And most telephony and DC managment systems dont > really work on Windows. It does not fit the target demographic for the > developers of these systems. > > - KB > -- > Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:08:56 +0000 > From: Karanbir Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam > To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sriram J wrote: > >> Can some one tell me what is the positioning of linux as an operating > > system. > > There isnt one. There does not need to be one. Its used on devices as > mobile phones to the largest supercomputer in the world. I think what > you need to do is read up a bit on what Linux is and the whole idea of > open source :D > > > who are target audience/consumers of linux supposed to be. > > everyone who can use it. > > > is linux intended by design to always remain out of the reach of the > person > > who refuses to jump through hoops to get the hardware to work . > > I had to jump through no hoops to get my hardware working - I have 8 > machines here at home, and 3 laptops. > > Also, if your statement was true - OSX would never had had a future, > they support a much much smaller subset of hardware than Linux does - > yet its gone from 3% to 7% of all Personal users ( not sure where the > number came from, it was quoted at a recent meeting at work, correct me > if I am wrong on that ). > > > i myself back in the days had to switch to windows because i bought an > > unsupported video card and did not have the money to buy an new one. > > back in the day, I used to use os/2 since it gave me the best serial > comms and tcp/ip support to get online. Ofcourse that was 1994/5 :D > things have sort of moved on since. > > -- > Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ilugd mailing list > ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > > End of ilugd Digest, Vol 58, Issue 20 > ************************************* > -- Prakhar Agarwal B.Tech, IT JIIT,Noida _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
