[Imports] Bing Building Import

I have started work on the Bing building import for Arizona us. I have started this page here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/US/BingBuildings for the import. This wiki page may be used by other mappers in different states. Moreover, I have process the Arizona file https://d

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Monday 02 July 2018, Greg Morgan wrote: > I have started work on the Bing building import for Arizona us. I > have started this page here > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/US/BingBuildings > for the import. This wiki page may be used by other mappers in > different states.

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

Hi, On 03.07.2018 11:37, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Without having reliable data on how often these things > do happen (and how this varies between different geographic settings) > you would essentially be doing a blind import. Unless, of course, the data is not simply shoved into OSM state by

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

IMO building imports with community mapper buy-in increase involvement by removing mapping tedium and highlighting other problems like missing roads without needed to pore over imagery. MS has a thorough third-party notice for the tool used to create the buildings: https://github.com/Microsoft/CNT

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, at 03:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: > ...Large imports are often detrimental to community building, ... Can you point to some data / research that backs this up? Martijn ___ Imports mailing list Imports@openstreetmap.org https://lists

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

, 2018 9:21 AM To: imports@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, at 03:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: > ...Large imports are often detrimental to community building, ... Can you point to some data / research that backs this up? Mart

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, at 03:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> ...Large imports are often detrimental to community building, ... > > Can you point to some data / research that backs this up? Hi Martijn, I believe this could be what Frederik w

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Blake Girardot wrote: > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, at 03:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > >> ...Large imports are often detrimental to community building, ... > > > > Can you point to some data / research tha

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tuesday 03 July 2018, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > ...Large imports are often detrimental to community building, ... > > Can you point to some data / research that backs this up? Could we please not let this drift into a general discussion on the merits of imports and the usual politically moti

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:00 AM Christoph Hormann wrote: > > You can already see people opening up with a full barrage of preemptive > smoke grenades based on the mere hint of you there might be substantial > data to back up the reasoning on which Frederik based his suggestion > for a certain appr

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tuesday 03 July 2018, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Christoph, > We've heard this argument before that imports [...] Please stop arguing about the merits of imports in general in this thread and thereby sabotaging what this discussion is about, namely discussing Greg Morgan's plan to import buildi

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 9:54 AM Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Tuesday 03 July 2018, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > > Christoph, > > We've heard this argument before that imports [...] > > Please stop arguing about the merits of imports in general in this > thread and thereby sabotaging what this discuss

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

org/wiki/Microsoft_Building_Footprint_Data). -Jubal -Original Message- From: Christoph Hormann Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 2:38 AM To: imports@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import On Monday 02 July 2018, Greg Morgan wrote: > I have started work on the Bing building

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tuesday 03 July 2018, Greg Morgan wrote: > > Christoph, Thank you for the other thoughtful questions. That is why > I started the email chain long before the import was ready. I will > respond to those later today. I take no disrespect from the > questions. However, I think you took exception t

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tuesday 03 July 2018, Jubal Harpster wrote: > > The data are free of 3rd party rights. We are working through the > internal process of releasing the labeled training data & the models. > The original hand verified & digitized training data was released in > April 2017 and is available here > (

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:37 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 02 July 2018, Greg Morgan wrote: > > I have started work on the Bing building import for Arizona us. I > > have started this page here > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/US/BingBuildings > > for the import

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

3. Lipiec 2018 18:17 od cliff...@snowandsnow.us : > > We've heard this argument before that imports do more damage than good. It is rather "imports can do more damage than good", nobody claims that all imports are harmful. ___

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

Greg, please indicate when you are citing what others (here Microsoft) have written, this makes it much easier to see where there is actually new information, in particular here where you know that most have read what Microsoft has written on their data. I will comment on a few of the new thi

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

Hi, On 04.07.2018 10:34, Christoph Hormann wrote: > As i have been very clear about this is not the case: > >>> Microsoft's process documentation contains a number of hints that >>> indicate things can go wrong in the process in ways that are likely >>> to produce significant errors of kinds that

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Wednesday 04 July 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > What you are suspecting here seems to have manifested itself in > Alaska, where one reviewer claims that most (!) buildings in the > dataset do not correspond to anything on the imagery available to us, > and the few (!) objects that do differ wil

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 1:35 AM Christoph Hormann wrote: > > The only thing that could convince me to change this assessment would > be - as already mentioned - a thorough analysis of the quality that > holds up to scientific scrutiny. And it is frankly much more likely > that such analysis would

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Wednesday 04 July 2018, Clifford Snow wrote: > As far as I know, we haven't had a requirement to produce studies to > support importing objects. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying > that is wrong, just new. Maybe this belongs in a separate thread for > discussion since this requirement would

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On 7/4/2018 12:10 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: However, a nice square build is always a good start. Somewhat related - a local prolific mapper added about 7k+ buildings as squares and rectangles. That was the early days, and I wondered if I was doing it wrong by trying to get too detailed on bui

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 1:34 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Greg, > > I will comment on a few of the new things you have written but like to > emphasize this is still not an import review because a lot of > information required for that is missing. You could however read up > old discussions on

Re: [Imports] Bing Building Import

Hi all- Have there been any ideas about how we want to handle the import process? My thoughts are that this could be treated as a unified project for "simple" imports that will not be conflating the footprints with other data (e.g. address points). My thought is we could adopt a streamlined proc