On 13 Mar 2008, at 18:13, Calum Benson wrote:
>
> Yeah, GNOME panel used to (maybe it still does) have support for
> different configurations that you could switch between to suit
> different
> tastes or screen resolutions... like a lot of panel configuration
> features in those days, though, it
On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 14:06 +, Brian Nitz wrote:
> I agree. Ever since my Amiga days and experiences with Sun/SGI/DEC
> workstations, Windows/Mac people look at the number of open windows on
> my desktop and ask if I'm trying to break the computer.
Particularly scary coming from Mac users,
> > What is a typical OpenSolaris user expected to be?
>
> (I should perhaps have said "Indiana" rather than
> "OpenSolaris" there,
> to make it clear that I was referring only to the
> desktop environment
> that will be delivered on the Live CD in May.)
>
> That's obviously a key question. Hope
Rich Teer wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
>
>
>> There are different kinds of user. The typical "PC" type user opens
>> one application, sets it to consume the whole screen, then works only
>> with that application until he is done. Typical unix power-users may
>> quite
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about putting it on top-panel?
> Every day I'll use it and it's more convenient if I can see it on the
> panel.
It could be there too. I just find it more convenient to right-click
on the desktop and instantly open a term
Peter Tribble wrote:
> If exchange integration matters, then evolution wins. (Mind you, it doesn't
> currently work against Exchange 2007, so I'm without an adequate email
> client at work. Hopefully that will get sorted soon.) And in many businesses,
> you have to use exchange :-(
http://mail.gno
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Calum Benson wrote:
> of (a) designing by committee, and (b) assuming that the people on this
> list are representative of typical OpenSolaris users :)
What is a typical OpenSolaris user expected to be?
OpenSolaris can be installed in server type environments, or in
"desktop
I am a part of that project!
I was referring to KDE 3.5.8 on Solaris,
Which is nice , usable and many people like it.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Manish ChakravartySh
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Would be reall
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Calum Benson wrote:
> True. I'm fairly sure I've seen studies in the past that show that most
> people prefer static to auto-hiding panels, though (although that was
There are different kinds of user. The typical "PC" type user opens
one application, sets it to consume the
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Mark Phalan wrote:
>
> Why do we ship two mail clients which cover basically the same
> functionality? I'd draw the parallel here between epiphany - the default
> gnome web browser and firefox.
>From my perspective, mail clients are a way of life. Much of my daily
activities
Hi Calum,
Calum Benson wrote:
> We're starting to document what the default desktop configuration for
> the Indiana 1.0 release should be, and naturally we'd like your
> feedback.
>
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/desktop/uispecs/indiana-uispec/
>
> Right now it only covers panel a
Would be really nice to give the user the choice to install KDE!
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Calum,
There are too many arguments and ideas. It's hard to choose a desktop
style and a bundled application.
Can you build a vote system for different ideas? I think statistics
will convince everyone.
Thanks,
lin
Calum Benson wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:20 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> There are different kinds of user. The typical "PC" type user opens
> one application, sets it to consume the whole screen, then works only
> with that application until he is done. Typical unix power-users may
> quite often switch between applica
How about putting it on top-panel?
Every day I'll use it and it's more convenient if I can see it on the
panel.
Jeff
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:16 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on th
I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
on Solaris, I launch "gnome-terminal" in the right-click pop-up menu. on
Ubuntu, I have to create a short-cut in desktop for it which makes
annoying.
Jeff
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:16 +, Calum Benson wrote:
> We're starting
On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 11:23 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Calum Benson wrote:
> > of (a) designing by committee, and (b) assuming that the people on this
> > list are representative of typical OpenSolaris users :)
>
> What is a typical OpenSolaris user expected to be?
(I s
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 16:17 -0700, Michelle Olson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I suggest that we add icons to the task bar for only those
> apps/tools/utilities that distinguish OpenSolaris from all others.
> Certainly for May, we have a time constraint that might preclude us from
> doing any of the f
On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 20:34 +0530, Manish Chakravarty wrote:
> Would be really nice to give the user the choice to install KDE!
Well, they'll have the choice... use GNOME, or download and install
KDE :)
(Desktop politics aside, I'm sure there just isn't room to put useful
versions of both GNOME
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Manish Chakravarty
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would be really nice to give the user the choice to install KDE!
KDE doesn't yet have full functionality on OpenSolaris.
However, there is a kde project on opensolaris.org, and I'm sure that
it will eventually offer
On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 15:44 +0800, Lin Ma wrote:
> Calum,
>
> There are too many arguments and ideas. It's hard to choose a desktop
> style and a bundled application.
> Can you build a vote system for different ideas? I think statistics
> will convince everyone.
You're right, there's a lot to
Lin Ma wrote:
> There are too many arguments and ideas. It's hard to choose a desktop
> style and a bundled application.
> Can you build a vote system for different ideas? I think statistics
> will convince everyone.
This isn't a terrible idea, but IMO its only significance would be to
find ou
Hi all,
I suggest that we add icons to the task bar for only those
apps/tools/utilities that distinguish OpenSolaris from all others.
Certainly for May, we have a time constraint that might preclude us from
doing any of the following, but here is my idea:
New task bar icons for all of the foll
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Calum Benson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:20 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> >
> >> Given Sun's migrating CDE users, etc. it might be good to either
> >> resurrect or create a new applet that does this.
> >
>
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:20 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > Given Sun's migrating CDE users, etc. it might be good to either
> > resurrect or create a new applet that does this.
>
> Not an unreasonable idea, but I gue
Calum Benson wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:20 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
>> Given Sun's migrating CDE users, etc. it might be good to either
>> resurrect or create a new applet that does this.
>
> Not an unreasonable idea, but I guess that's something we'd need some
> marketing input on.
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:20 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> Given Sun's migrating CDE users, etc. it might be good to either
> resurrect or create a new applet that does this.
Not an unreasonable idea, but I guess that's something we'd need some
marketing input on. I'd guess Sun might prefer to mi
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 12:48 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > If I remember right, Ximian GNOME used to have this "visual
> > preferences" dialog that you would get on first login.
> >
> > It allowed you to easily swit
On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 06:59 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote:
>
> Calum Benson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:11 -0700, Dale Sears wrote:
> >> Downloads folder on the desktop?
> >
> > No reason why not, although I don't think GNOME yet has a concept of a
> > downloads folder as such, so we'd be ro
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
> >> on Solaris, I launch "gnome-terminal" in
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:16 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
> > > on S
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 12:48 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> If I remember right, Ximian GNOME used to have this "visual
> preferences" dialog that you would get on first login.
>
> It allowed you to easily switch between a set of "default styles" that
> configured it so that the panel was at the to
* Richard Elling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Good conversation.
> My only input is that if it isn't in a menu, then it doesn't exist.
I think I would personally disagree with that statement. Particularly
(but not exclusively) in the case of a liveCD. There is *no* way to put
everything a user m
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 10:36 -0700, Richard Elling wrote:
> Good conversation.
> My only input is that if it isn't in a menu, then it doesn't exist.
That's always well worth remembering :) (Especially as we actually do
ship apps that install .desktop files but are hidden from the
Applications men
Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
>> on Solaris, I launch "gnome-terminal" in the right-click pop-up menu. on
>> Ubuntu, I have to create a short-cut in desktop for
Calum Benson wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:11 -0700, Dale Sears wrote:
>> Downloads folder on the desktop?
>
> No reason why not, although I don't think GNOME yet has a concept of a
> downloads folder as such, so we'd be rolling our own solution. And that
> can always backfire if the commun
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:16 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
> > on Solaris, I launch "gnome-terminal" in the right-click pop-up menu. on
> > Ubuntu, I have
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 21:36 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote:
>
> Dale Sears wrote:
> > Downloads folder on the desktop?
>
> The current desktop view is a departure to how things currently on with
> OpenSolaris Developer Preview - where we've chosen to not show any icons by
> default. Can you explain
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Andrew Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 13:08 -0400, Sebastien Roy wrote:
> >> > I also don't see the point in cluttering panels wi
Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 13:08 -0400, Sebastien Roy wrote:
>> > I also don't see the point in cluttering panels with needless menus if
>> > they're already available through the "Launch" menu.
>>
>>
Good conversation.
My only input is that if it isn't in a menu, then it doesn't exist.
-- richard
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Andrew Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Calum Benson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 19:09 +0100, Mark Phalan wrote:
> >
> >> Why is thunderbird given higher visibility (by being in the panel) over
> >> evolution - the default gnome mail app?
> >
>
Calum Benson wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 19:09 +0100, Mark Phalan wrote:
>
>> Why is thunderbird given higher visibility (by being in the panel) over
>> evolution - the default gnome mail app?
>
> Basically, this is a hangover from JDS in Solaris-- based on whatever
> factors they were looki
Calum Benson wrote:
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 15:41 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Something that's just occurred to me, though - why is the mail client
a launcher on the panel? I use pa
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > The package you're looking for is nautilus-open-terminal
> >
> > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/nautilus-open-terminal/0.9/
>
> Does that affect the desktop too?
yep. Gnome's instantly usable once you install it ;-)
later,
chris
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Alan Coopersmith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > I suppose though, that the update mechanism could be modified to check
> > for an updated package in the repositories and then offer to upgrade
> > by calling ips to do it.
>
> Though remembe
Shawn Walker wrote:
> I suppose though, that the update mechanism could be modified to check
> for an updated package in the repositories and then offer to upgrade
> by calling ips to do it.
Though remember the Debian/IceWeasel situation - all changes like that
must be approved by the Mozilla Foun
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Chris Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
> > > on Solaris, I launch
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
> > on Solaris, I launch "gnome-terminal" in the right-click pop-up menu. on
> > Ubuntu, I have to create a s
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 15:41 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Something that's just occurred to me, though - why is the mail client
> > a launcher on the panel? I use panel items for things I launch multiple
> > copies of
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Sebastien Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Calum Benson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 19:09 +0100, Mark Phalan wrote:
> >
> >> Why is thunderbird given higher visibility (by being in the panel) over
> >> evolution - the default gnome mail app?
> >
> > Basi
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 15:28 -0400, Sebastien Roy wrote:
> Speaking for myself only, I used Evolution for years on Solaris, and I
> dropped it in favor Thunderbird due to stability issues. Evolution was
> at the time simply too slow (I have a huge number of nested IMAP folders
> with a huge nu
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:18 -0700, Glenn Lagasse wrote:
> Except:
>
> a) Thunderbird is more widely available on other platforms (windows/OS
> X) and so I would say it's got a far greater following.
("More widely installed", perhaps, but Evolution works fine on both
Windows and OS X as well.)
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:20 -0700, Dale Sears wrote:
> Xfce desktop?
>
> It's really nice on Sun Ray servers. In my experience, it was
> a significant boost in performance which all of my users noticed
> and appreciated. That was a while ago, and I only had about 8
> users on a V240... but sti
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 13:08 -0400, Sebastien Roy wrote:
> > I also don't see the point in cluttering panels with needless menus if
> > they're already available through the "Launch" menu.
>
> I agree, but currently we do
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:11 -0700, Dale Sears wrote:
> Downloads folder on the desktop?
No reason why not, although I don't think GNOME yet has a concept of a
downloads folder as such, so we'd be rolling our own solution. And that
can always backfire if the community don't take our patches back
Wow... more feedback than I was expecting, so I'm just going to go
through and quickly reply to them individually at this stage, before we
draw breath and figure out how best to attack the second draft...
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 13:08 -0400, Sebastien Roy wrote:
> Hi Calum,
>
> Calum Benson wrote:
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about putting it on top-panel?
> Every day I'll use it and it's more convenient if I can see it on the
> panel.
I've done that as well for all my GNOME installs.
I still like the context menu though :)
--
Shawn Walker,
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm wondering if we can put "gnome-terminal" on the desktop. Currently
> on Solaris, I launch "gnome-terminal" in the right-click pop-up menu. on
> Ubuntu, I have to create a short-cut in desktop for it which makes
> annoying
Dale Sears wrote:
> Downloads folder on the desktop?
The current desktop view is a departure to how things currently on with
OpenSolaris Developer Preview - where we've chosen to not show any icons by
default. Can you explain the rationale for each icon that you've chosen to put
on the deskto
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mark Phalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
>
> > > Why is thunderbird given higher visibility (by being in
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - Launch menu or Apps/Places/System menu?
>
> Personally, I use CLI or individual launchers, but tend to feel far more
> comfortable with the
Peter Tribble wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mark Phalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Why is thunderbird given higher visibility (by being in the panel) over
>> > evolution - the default gnome m
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mark Phalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Why is thunderbird given higher visibility (by being in the panel) over
> > evolution - the default gnome mail app?
> >
> > Why do we sh
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're starting to document what the default desktop configuration for
> the Indiana 1.0 release should be, and naturally we'd like your
> feedback.
>
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/desktop/uispecs/indiana-uispe
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