Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-12 Thread Martin Bochnig
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> from a >> pure resource management perspective, it would seem the best solution is >> to remove your team's OpenGL from Solaris altogether and ship Mesa on both >> platforms. +1__#0 >> This would also give customers the same OpenGL inte

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-11 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > from a > pure resource management perspective, it would seem the best solution is > to remove your team's OpenGL from Solaris altogether and ship Mesa on both > platforms. This would also give customers the same OpenGL interfaces on > both platforms, though without hardw

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-10 Thread Glynn Foster
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > For those on indiana-discuss, but not xwin-discuss, it's just been pointed > out to me that you've only seen one side of this thread, since indiana-discuss > discards messages from non-subscribers, while some of the people responding > are subscribed to and participating

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
For those on indiana-discuss, but not xwin-discuss, it's just been pointed out to me that you've only seen one side of this thread, since indiana-discuss discards messages from non-subscribers, while some of the people responding are subscribed to and participating in this discussion via xwin-discu

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Linda Fellingham wrote: > Alan, > > We could really use your help to make the case for more resource. The > SPARC graphics group is very small (5) and struggling to keep up with > the sustaining burden as well as trying to do the x.org development. That's the exact size the X team has been at fo

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Paul Ramsey wrote: > Wow, so closed source is such a sin now that it would be worth running > multiple orders of magnitude slower to be open source? I think you need > to get off your high horse. Project Indiana is all about open source, so yes, closed source is against the entire purpose of the

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
In March your team submitted the LSARC fasttrack for OpenGL 2.0 for Xsun/SPARC. LSARC derailed it, since it was not obvious why this was being done first for the EOL'ed Xsun and not the preferred Xorg. ("Derailed" is not "denied", it's just "this isn't so obvious and non-controversial that it can

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
We all have limited resources - what other work would you like us to delay to work on DPA instead? The DMX work your team requested? The other issues raised in porting XVR-2500 to Xorg? You've already spent your "get out of jail free card" by releasing OpenGL 2.0 support without the Xorg support

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-09 Thread Alan Coopersmith
This was brought up at our X/DDX groups meeting a couple weeks ago, and once we got over the initial shock that anyone besides DPS was using DPA (seriously? we had no idea), the discussion was that Xorg already must have some sort of interface you should be using instead of porting DPA to it - the

Re: [indiana-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Indiana, Xsun/Xorg, & SPARC graphics drivers

2007-07-02 Thread Giles Turner
> Your personal grudge is what is off-topic. I do not believe it is a personal grudge. His observation comes through easily enough from reading your posts. Take, for example, some of your posts where you clearly take the high ground for yourself with 'In my experience...' > > Your implication tha