Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss]ZFS to the max

2007-06-29 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Moinak Ghosh wrote: Roland Mainz wrote: Ian Murdock wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: However, initially the most sane appraoch is to pick one filesystem so that the initial effort can be focused on a great experience and take advantage of that filesystem's features. Agreed. This is all

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss]ZFS to the max

2007-06-29 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Roland Mainz wrote: Ian Murdock wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: However, initially the most sane appraoch is to pick one filesystem so that the initial effort can be focused on a great experience and take advantage of that filesystem's features. Agreed. This is all about keeping the

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss]ZFS to the max

2007-06-29 Thread Roland Mainz
Ian Murdock wrote: > Shawn Walker wrote: > > However, initially the most sane appraoch is to pick one filesystem > > so that the initial effort can be focused on a great experience and > > take advantage of that filesystem's features. > > Agreed. This is all about keeping the focus tight. In terms

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-26 Thread Shawn Walker
On 26/06/07, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/24/07, Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Murdock wrote: > > > > One thing I don't see on the requirements list is ZFS as the default > > file system. > > > > This really needs to be there. It's one of the killer features of >

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-26 Thread Peter Tribble
On 6/24/07, Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Murdock wrote: > > One thing I don't see on the requirements list is ZFS as the default > file system. > > This really needs to be there. It's one of the killer features of > Solaris, and we should make sure we use it to maximum advantage.

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-26 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Stephen Hahn wrote: * Moinak Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-25 07:36]: ZFS is unsuitable for a LiveCD. In fact for a LiveCD all that is required is a minimal, ramdisk based R/W filesystem and a CDROM filesystem. For that matter even UFS is a bit heavyweight for a ramdisk based filesystem.

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-25 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Moinak Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-25 07:36]: > ZFS is unsuitable for a LiveCD. In fact for a LiveCD all that is > required is a minimal, ramdisk based R/W filesystem and a CDROM > filesystem. For that matter even UFS is a bit heavyweight for a > ramdisk based filesystem. Could you give

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Murdock
Shawn Walker wrote: However, initially the most sane appraoch is to pick one filesystem so that the initial effort can be focused on a great experience and take advantage of that filesystem's features. Agreed. This is all about keeping the focus tight. In terms of "bang for the buck", we can't

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-25 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Roland Mainz wrote: John Sonnenschein wrote: [...] For example if we were to do a ZFS snapshot prior to upgrading or installing a package, that feature is obviously not available with other filesystems, but we shouldn't restrict ourselves to not doing it just because UFS is braindead technolo

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-24 Thread Shawn Walker
On 24/06/07, Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Murdock wrote: > > One thing I don't see on the requirements list is ZFS as the default > file system. > > This really needs to be there. It's one of the killer features of > Solaris, and we should make sure we use it to maximum advantage.

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-24 Thread Roland Mainz
Roland Mainz wrote: > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > On 6/24/07, Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ian Murdock wrote: > [snip] > > > Or short: IMO it would be nice to keep support for alternatives in > > > Solaris/OpenSolaris/Indiana alive... > > > > I agree, in as far as I personally thi

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-24 Thread Roland Mainz
John Sonnenschein wrote: > On 6/24/07, Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ian Murdock wrote: [snip] > > Or short: IMO it would be nice to keep support for alternatives in > > Solaris/OpenSolaris/Indiana alive... > > I agree, in as far as I personally think ZFS should be the default, > and

Re: Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-24 Thread John Sonnenschein
I agree, in as far as I personally think ZFS should be the default, and we should build around that assumption while retaining the ability to choose other options, with feature degredation. For example if we were to do a ZFS snapshot prior to upgrading or installing a package, that feature is obv

Keeping room for alteratives to ZFS / was: Re: [indiana-discuss] ZFS to the max

2007-06-24 Thread Roland Mainz
Ian Murdock wrote: > > One thing I don't see on the requirements list is ZFS as the default > file system. > > This really needs to be there. It's one of the killer features of > Solaris, and we should make sure we use it to maximum advantage. I agree but it would be nice to keep some room for a