Thanks Surajit We seem to be moving towards Cucumis melo in place of Cucumis sativus as suggested by most websites.
I seem to have both C. momordica, commonly grown in rajasthan with pinkish-yellow skin and flesh. It is now Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. momordica https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$20momordica/indiantreepix/hEfwrm2XtQw/-2S9IRmaAccJ C. agrestris susbp. agrestris var. conomon (the new name for C. utillisimus Roxb.) I think is also different. I seem to have it. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$20conomon/indiantreepix/ei0yO-n_CiI/kg5xxbQkcREJ I have asked my son to send me more photographs of Dosakaya from California, with section through the flesh, because flesh of var. dudaim is very distinct more like our Sarda fruit. I hope we should be moving towards it after someone finds real dosakaya vine. Thanks a lot Surajit ji for your painstaking research. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM, surajit koley < surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sir, > > According to Piddington *Cucumis utilissimus* (Roxb.) is DOSKAY in > Telinga (p26 & p131). > > Flora Indica, vol3, p721 describes, "... leaves five lobed, lobes rounded, > ... fruit short-oval, smooth. variegated, of the size of small melon...... > appears to me to be by far the most useful species....... when little more > than one-half grown they are oblong, and a little downy, in this state they > are pickled; when ripe they are about as large as an ostrich's egg, smooth > and yellow....... flavour of the melon..... this agriculture is chiefly > confined in to the Guntoor Circar....." > > The illustration of the above - > http://images.kew.org/cucumis_utilissimus_roxb/print/654452.html. > GRIN page - http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?404418 > > Other illustrations of *Cucumis melo* & ssp - > http://www.plantillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=297153 > > There is another *Cucumis momordica* Roxb. - PEDDA DOSKAY in Teling; > FOOTI in Bengali. "from 12 to 24 inches long, and three to six in diam..... > fruits when ripe bursting slowly". I have seen these in market and they are > eaten ripe as fruits, here. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> If these two photographs really belong to dosakaya, then it is a melon >> (Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim). >> >> http://pallavi-foodblog.blogspot.in/2008/07/garden.html >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> >>> Date: 13 June 2013 22:11 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:157520] Dossakaya is it Cucumis sativus or >>> Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim >>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh < >>> nidhansingh...@gmail.com>, Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.botan...@gmail.com>, >>> Dr Santhosh Kumar <drsanthosh1...@gmail.com>, "D.S Rawat" < >>> drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> Dossakaya or dosakai the common fruit used in South India in sambar and >>> pachari preparations has been bothering me for some time. I saw plenty of >>> fruits sold in Indian stores in california, although I never found them >>> being sold here in Delhi. >>> Most websites including Wikipedia identify it as Cucumis sativus, but >>> the shape of the fruit, its size and skin does not support this. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucumber >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cucumber_dosakai.jpg >>> >>> There is one website calling it Cucumis callosus that is considered as >>> C. melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis by Fl. Pakistan, but C. melo subsp. >>> melo by GRIN >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=j7fRTYqMLaI >>> >>> Yet another website considers it as C. melo subsp. agrestis var. dudaim >>> >>> >>> http://chivukulakitchen.blogspot.in/2010/04/dosakaya-pacchadi-round-yellow-cucumber.html >>> >>> >>> This last one looks more logical as fruits resemble pocket melons except >>> larger size. var. chito (lime melon, apple melon) look even more closer to >>> our dosakai. >>> >>> Can any friend help to solve this dilemma. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& >>> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >>> alphabetically & place-wise): >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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