Didi, I do never wish to cause your annoyance, but I must say that I am confused, for *Grevillea banksii* R. Br. have different leaves <http://plants.usda.gov/java/largeImage?imageID=grba_001_ahp.tif>. If we are talking about Grevillea "Superb", then it is a hybrid between *banksii* and *bipinnatifida*. If we say G. banksii "Superb" that would mean, I think, a non-hybrid species.
Thank you Regards surajit On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ushadi Micromini <microminipho...@gmail.com > wrote: > Surajit > I dont knowe > > am tired i > > > but one thing I can tell you is 'Superb' means its a cultivar... > of whatever the lineage... > enough already... > > > usha di > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM, surajit koley < > surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks that it has been settled finally. But, my question is - Is G. >> banksii 'Superb' same as Grevillea 'Superb'? >> If yes, next question - >> Why is it G. banksii 'Superb'? >> Why not *G. bipinnatifida* 'Superb'? >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Aarti S. Khale <aarti.kh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Gurcharan Ji, >>> Thanks for the distinguishing features of the leaves of Grevillea, and >>> the id of my pictures based on these features. >>> No >>> Thanks a lot once again. >>> Usha Di, >>> No travel plans as of now, will let you know if there are any. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Aarti >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Ushadi >>>> Yes It can't be G. victoriae in which leaves are unidivided >>>> In fact there are three groups of Grevillea species >>>> 1. Those with simple leaves: G. victoriae, G. juniperina, G. lanigera >>>> 2. Leaves bipinnatifid as in G. robusta, >>>> 3. Leaves pinnatifid or pinnatisect as in G. banksii. To me Aarti ji's >>>> plant looks like G. banksii 'Superb' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dr Munshi >>>>> Its not g. victoriae >>>>> both the leaves and the inflorescence are very different.. >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grevillea_victoriae >>>>> >>>>> lots of differences >>>>> >>>>> usha di >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Aarti S. Khale < >>>>> aarti.kh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Prof Munshi Ji, >>>>>> Thank you Sir for appreciation and suggested id. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Aarti >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Abid Munshi <ahmunshi1...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Khale >>>>>>> The photograph uploaded is beauiful >>>>>>> Most of the species of Grevillea being grown in California are >>>>>>> hybrids but it seems the photograph is G. victoria >>>>>>> Prof. A. H. Munshi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 December 2014 at 09:58, Aarti S. Khale <aarti.kh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Usha Di, >>>>>>>> I have attached all the pictures I had. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, don't have any more details to reply about. >>>>>>>> How I am suppose to take the measurements would be anybody's guess, >>>>>>>> since it would be a guess only. >>>>>>>> How am I suppose to study the flowering season of an ornamental I >>>>>>>> have come across in a sight seeing trip? >>>>>>>> I really wish I had the answers and could help you further. >>>>>>>> Thanks for taking such a lot of interest in this Grevillea. >>>>>>>> For me, I am happy to identify it as a Grevillea Species Cultivar. >>>>>>>> Good day and regards, >>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:28 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I too look forward to Aarti Ji's feedback. >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any new thoughts >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gargji please dont mark this as complete >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> we dont have an answer from Aarti yet >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> thanks Surajit for clarifying >>>>>>>>>>> it was not clear to me >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> now Aarti has work to do, let see what come up in the measurement >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:17 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Didi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "a search for its ("superb") leaf and comparing other details >>>>>>>>>>>> like inflo size, flowering season (throughout year) may help go >>>>>>>>>>>> further" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The above means I have rather requested Aarti Ji to check leaf >>>>>>>>>>>> images and verify if those stats on inflo-leaves etc (of superb) >>>>>>>>>>>> do conform >>>>>>>>>>>> with her species. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>> how did you measure the inflorescence size? several pictures >>>>>>>>>>>>> are at an angle, not parallel to the inflorescence , so size ca n >>>>>>>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>>>>>>> determines=d one picture may be used but how? no reference object >>>>>>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>>>>>> pen, a ruler a coin or a finger etc is present... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> only match is flowering in late summer and fall... but that's >>>>>>>>>>>>> in australian queensland fall... >>>>>>>>>>>>> i dont have time to compare and find the temperature humidity >>>>>>>>>>>>> and rains etc in queensland and compare it to southern california >>>>>>>>>>>>> inland >>>>>>>>>>>>> areas .... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:43 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning Didi, since you have already suggested a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility I also thought of *G.* "superb", a search for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its ("superb") leaf and comparing other details like inflo size, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flowering >>>>>>>>>>>>>> season (throughout year) may help go further. Of-course that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probability only. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful that you found and shared these links... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if one peruses these it becomes obvious that many sp and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many many more cultivars are being studied by these groups.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes there at least one and one comes across a few more very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> active study groups of exotics , not to mention university >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level groups to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study and id these ... with live specimen in hand and often if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not live, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superb close ups all aspects of the plants and flowers and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dissections... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for the fifth pic , but it dos not tell me the plant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> size and details of the leaves etc... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am happy with Grevillea sp, cultivar .... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions that arise with any plant and esp here with so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many cultivars out there... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is the shape of the plant, how tall, what does the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stem and bark look like, branching, leaves details, and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spike/inflorescence ... size etc... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not even sure of the color..is it pink? is it red? is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it orange? is it orangeish red? digital cameras do a number >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with some red >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colored flowers and leaves ... ... unless we also take a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference card >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with us and photograph it along with red its often difficult >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... esp out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the open sky... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now the question is : which do i pick from these ps pics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above taken in a hurry: which cultivar??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..".ned kelly", "superb",, or "robyn gordon", cultivars or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it g. juniperina? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its a difficult task , you'll agree when you see and read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the difficulties in nailing the diagnosis based on these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pictures only.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine the intense scrutiny the study group undertakes... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were many cultivars in australia already and then i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can imagine all the cultivars developed since it became popular >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in american >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> southwest... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *my final diagnosis is red flowering cultivar of Grevillea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sp.* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am glad you showed these and it will be in the database in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indiatreepix as an australian plant, and in this day and age >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xeriscaping plants finding a place in international growers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists, it may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come to india like the artichokes, kiwi, avocado etc etc have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows..it may be a start of another conversation.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but today this is as far i am willing to go based on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data we have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iti... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Aarti S. Khale < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aarti.kh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does look like my Grevillea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let the experts decide, since I am not one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:41 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for an interesting unknown exotica, this pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sgapqld.org.au/growing_grevilleas.pdf> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/best-grevilleas-for-southern-california/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with http://anpsa.org.au/g-super1.html may help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole plant? ht ?? etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its mind boggling to say the least... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grevillea_cultivars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A small tree, hardly 10 feet in height cultivated in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the garden overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grevillea banksii comes to my mind on searching further. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many different colors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought G. robusta only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G. lanigera, G. juniperina, are displayed as small shrubs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in hanging baskets in Farmers markets. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i am not so sure of the diagnosis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its just not three >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many many are sold esp in california >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggested id. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could locate one more picture, giving an idea of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small tree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aarti >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Aarti S. 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