Dear Sibdas da, attached photo is of 2 different plant first and last one is of Solanum torvum (100_1031 JPG & 100_1137-1.JPG) and the middle one is S surattense (100-1137-1) . please see the leaf morphology and you will understand that i am correct . regards tanay On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, sibdas ghosh <sibdasgh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Taking the clue from Gurcharanji, I am attaching some more photos, > one of them (100_1031 JPG) was sent earlier which I labeled as > S.xanthocarpum/ surattense, but did not get any response from others. The > other (100-1137-1) was also sent earlier . It was identified as S.viarum. > If that is a viarum, the present one is likely anguivi- waiting comment from > Gurcharanji- Sibdas Ghosh > > On 6 March 2010 23:36, R. Vijayasankar <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> The flowers in Solanum viarum Dunal are usually *white* and the fruits >> (small wild brinjals,some *3 cm* across?) are used as vegetable by local >> people in TN. Plants are smaller when compare to S. anguivi (= S. indicum). >> So the pictures shared by Sibdas ji must be *Solanum anguivi* (shrub >> 1-1.5 m high, with fruits of about 1 cm) and not S. viarum. He may like to >> provide more pictures for better understanding. >> >> check these links: http://www.fleppc.org/ID_book/solanum%20viarum.pdf >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solanum_viarum_2132028.jpg & >> http://www.forestryimages.org/search/action.cfm?q=Solanum%20viarum >> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Dear Friends, >>> I am not very sure now, because since posting my last mail, I have >>> seen pictures of ripe fruits that are yellow in colour, but the >>> fruits I have seen in my farm is of fruits that are red in colour. >>> We may have to wait a while and study a bit more. >>> Regards >>> Yazdy Palia. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Dear All, >>> > On the basis of the relevant taxonomic characters discussed by Yazdy Ji >>> & >>> > Gurcharan Ji we all can come into a positive conclusion that "The plant >>> in >>> > the attached photographs belong to the genus Solanum sp and its >>> specific >>> > epithet is Solanum viarum". I personally thank all of you for taking >>> the >>> > tedious effort and well planned techniques to decipher the name of >>> this long >>> > discussed plant from West Bengal brought into our notice by Mr. Sibdas >>> > Ghosh. >>> > >>> > THANKS TO ALL >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > Tanay Bose. >>> > >>> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I have the following observations >>> >> The plant can't be Solanum xanthocarpum which has subsequently been >>> named >>> >> as S. surattense and now correctly as S. virginianum, because that >>> plant is >>> >> a small spreading subshrub with leaves not velvety. >>> >> The name S. indicum applied to Indian plants is not valid. Some of >>> Indian >>> >> Plants i.e. S. indicum auct with glabrous fruits is correctly S. >>> anguivi, S. >>> >> indicum L. now correctly known as lasiocarpum has tomentose berries. >>> >> S. verbascifolium L. now correctly known as S. erianthum has >>> unarmed >>> >> stems and leaves. >>> >> I think the toss is between S. viarum and S. anguivi: >>> >> >>> >> Solanum viarum Dunal in A. de Candolle, Prodr. 13(1): 240. 1852 >>> >> >>> >> Syn: Solanum khasianum C. B. Clarke var. chatterjeeanum Sen Gupta. >>> >> >>> >> Herbs or subshrubs, erect, 0.5-1(-2) m tall, armed, minutely tomentose >>> >> with many-celled, simple, mostly glandular hairs. Stems and branches >>> terete, >>> >> densely and evenly pubescent with many-celled, simple hairs to 1 mm, >>> armed >>> >> with recurved prickles 2-5 × 1-5(-8) mm and sometimes with needlelike >>> >> prickles 1-4 mm. Leaves unequal paired; petiole stout 3-7 cm, armed >>> with >>> >> erect, flat straight prickles 0.3-1.8 cm; leaf blade broadly ovate, >>> 6-13 × >>> >> 6-12 cm, with prickles and coarse, many-celled, glandular simple hairs >>> on >>> >> both surfaces, these mixed with sparse, sessile, stellate hairs >>> abaxially, >>> >> base truncate to short hastate, margin 3-5-lobed or -parted; lobes >>> blunt at >>> >> apex. Inflorescences extra-axillary, subfasciculate, 1-5-flowered >>> racemes; >>> >> peduncle obsolete or short. Flowers andromonoecious, only basal ones >>> >> fertile. Pedicel 4-6 mm. Calyx campanulate, ca. 10 × 7 mm, lobes >>> >> oblong-lanceolate, 0.6-1.2 mm, hairy and sometimes prickly abaxially. >>> >> Corolla white or green; lobes lanceolate, ca. 2.5 × 10 mm, pubescent >>> as on >>> >> calyx. Filaments 1-1.5 mm; anthers lanceolate, acuminate, 6-7 mm. >>> Ovary >>> >> puberulent. Style ca. 8 mm, glabrous. Berry pale yellow, globose, 2-3 >>> cm in >>> >> diam. Seeds brown, lenticular, 2-2.8 mm in diam. Fl. Jun-Aug, fr. >>> Jun-Oct. >>> >> >>> >> Wastelands, grasslands, thickets, open forests, along ditches, >>> roadsides; >>> >> 1400-2200 m. E Xizang (Zaya Xian), Yunnan [widespread in tropical Asia >>> and >>> >> Africa]. >>> >> >>> >> 8. Solanum anguivi Lam., Tabl. Encycl. 2:23. 1794. Hepper, Bot. J. >>> Linn. >>> >> Soc. 76:290. 1978. >>> >> >>> >> YASIN J. NASIR >>> >> >>> >> A prickly undershrub, 1.5-2 m tall, with dense stellate-tomentose >>> parts. >>> >> Prickles up to 10 mm long, erect to slightly recurved. Leaves 4-15 x >>> 3.5-9 >>> >> cm, ovate to oblong-ovate, repand, acute, both surfaces stellately >>> hairy and >>> >> prickly on the nerves. Petiole up to 2.5 cm long. Flowers 4-15 in >>> number, >>> >> bluish-purple, in extra-axillary cymes. Calyx ± 4 mm long, >>> campanulate, >>> >> stellately hairy. Corolla limb 18-20 mm broad; lobes acute. Anthers >>> 6-7 mm >>> >> long; filaments glabrous. Ovary and style pilose-pubescent. Berry >>> globose, >>> >> (5-)8-10 mm broad, glabrescent, yellow. Seeds ± 3 mm long, >>> subreniform, >>> >> minutely reticulate, foveolate. >>> >> >>> >> Fl. Per.: Mostly throughout the year. >>> >> >>> >> Type: Described from Madagascar, Commerson (MPU, syntype P). >>> >> >>> >> Distribution: S. & S. E. Asia, Arabia and tropical Africa. >>> >> >>> >> Solanum viarum >>> >> Solanum anguivi >>> >> >>> >> Prickcle on stem recurved or needle-like prickles up to >>> 10 >>> >> mm long, >>> >> >>> >> up to 5 mm long >>> >> slightly recurved.or erect >>> >> >>> >> Petiole 3-7 cm, with flat straight prickles Petiole >>> up to >>> >> 2.5 cm, >>> >> >>> >> Leaves unequal pairs, 3-5 lobed Leaves >>> >> oblong-ovate, repand >>> >> >>> >> Flowers in 1-5 fld racemes >>> Flowers >>> >> 4-15, in extraaxillary cymes, >>> >> >>> >> white or green >>> >> flowers bluish-purple >>> >> >>> >> Berry glabrous, pale yellow, 2-3 cm Berry >>> >> glabrous, yellow, 8-10 mm >>> >> >>> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 >>> >> >>> >> I would go with S. viarum on the basis of longer petioles and prickles >>> on >>> >> leaf surface. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >> Retired Associate Professor >>> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:42 AM, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> DEAR ALL, >>> >>> Please let us come into a decision regarding the specific epithet of >>> this >>> >>> particular plant. Let us all supplement our responses with >>> morphological >>> >>> points; i.e why you call calling this plant belonging to the partical >>> >>> species of Solanum sp [ diagonistic feature of the species]. It will >>> help us >>> >>> all to get into a conclusion and decipher the cprrect name of the >>> plant. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Tanay >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:39 AM, R. Vijayasankar >>> >>> <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi, this is Solanum indicum (= S. anguivi), i think (to be >>> different!!). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>> >>>>> I think this is Solanum Viarum Dunal >>> >>>>> Please go through the link below. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Solanum+viarum&burl=http:/http:/www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov&btxt=InvasiveSpeciesInfo.gov >>> >>>>> Regards >>> >>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> > Forwarding again for Id assistance pl. >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> >>>>> > From: sibdas ghosh <sibdasgh...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>> > Date: 5 February 2010 20:38 >>> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:27272] A Solanum sp >>> >>>>> > To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > A Solanum (wild), i.d. requested >>> >>>>> > From Pingla, Midnapore, W.B. >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > -- >>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >>>>> > Groups >>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>> indiantree...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>>> > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > -- >>> >>>>> > With regards, >>> >>>>> > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com) >>> >>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> >>>>> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> >>>>> > Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, >>> Butterflies, >>> >>>>> > Plants >>> >>>>> > etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>> >>>>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>> >>>>> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>> >>>>> > Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > -- >>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >>>>> > Groups >>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>> indiantree...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>>> > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> indiantree...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>>> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> With regards >>> >>>> >>> >>>> R. 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