Yes Saroj ji R. calycinoides Hayata is a common ground cover undershrub now known as R. rolfei R. calycinoides Kuntze and R. rugosus are both taller plants with larger leaves occurring in E. Himalayas. Here is key from Flora of Bhutan which I have already shared Leaves 10—20cm long and broad, *lobes acute;* stipules 1.5-2cm, *subpersistent*; pedicels 8- 15mm; calyx lobes 10-12mm, often toothed ….. 16. *R. calycinoides* Leaves 8-12X6-10cm, *lobes rounded or subacute*; stipules 1-1.5cm, *early caducous*; pedicels 2-7mm; calyx lobes 8—9mm, entire or minutely toothed at apex … 17. *R. rugosus* If we add to this key features from Flora of Nepal: 1. Habit being Erect and arching compared to climbing and scandent of * R.rugosa* 2. Stipule being lacerate 3. Fruiting period being Oct.- Dec. compared to July to Sept. of *R.rugosa* A combined key would be as under
*R. calycinoides*: Habit erect to arching, Leaves 10—20cm long and broad, lobes acute*;* stipules 1.5-2cm, lacerate, subpersistent; pedicels 8- 15mm; calyx lobes 10-12mm, often toothed, fruiting period Oct-Dec. *R. rugosus: * Habit climbing to scandent, Leaves 8-12X6-10cm, lobes rounded or subacute; stipules 1-1.5cm, early caducous; pedicels 2-7mm; calyx lobes 8—9mm, entire or minutely toothed at apex, fruiting period July-September. The specimens of these two species in our database need a relook. On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 11:01:42 AM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: > I guess there is some confusion between Rubus calycinoides Hayata > <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/data/taxon/4TLHJ> and Rubus calycinoides > Kuntze <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/data/taxon/4TJP4> ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:44 PM Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Saroj ji R. calycinoides now known as R. rolfei as I wrote earlier is a >> ground cover creeping plant. This should be R. rugosus. >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 1:52 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gurucharan Sir, >>> Please look at the keays in my earlier post of this mail and >>> your opinion. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:43 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I guess it is different from R. calycinoides ! >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:29 PM Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Got it from our own website, thanks Garg ji >>>>> Flora of Bhutan gives the following keys: >>>>> Leaves 10—20cm long and broad, *lobes acute;* stipules 1.5-2cm, >>>>> *subpersistent*; pedicels 8- 15mm; calyx lobes 10-12mm, often toothed >>>>> ….. 16. *R. calycinoides* >>>>> Leaves 8-12X6-10cm, *lobes rounded or subacute*; stipules 1-1.5cm, *early >>>>> caducous*; pedicels 2-7mm; calyx lobes 8—9mm, entire or minutely >>>>> toothed at apex … 17. *R. rugosus* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:06 PM Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It would be interesting to know Key and description of two species R. >>>>>> calycinoides Kuntze and R. rugosus Sm. because R. calycinoides Hayata >>>>>> and >>>>>> Koidz. (considered now as synonym of R. rolfei S. Vidal, along with R. >>>>>> pentalobus) is a very popular ground cover plant and amply described in >>>>>> numerous garden websites. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 5:02 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes Mr. Garg ! >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:31 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it may be Rubus calycinoides >>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2019/12/14/rubus-calycinoides/> as per >>>>>>>> images and details herein and as per keys in Online Flora of Nepal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 at 20:09 >>>>>>>> Subject: Rubus rugosus Sm. >>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>> jmg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Location: Nagarkot, Nepal >>>>>>>> Date: 12 December 2017 >>>>>>>> Altitude: 6800 ft. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>> the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/lZoDPDf3trs/unsubscribe >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>> indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytTGSmsmNBPzHT3nb0ObxhC0sxb4iMuwN2eTv%2Bkwg3Jy4A%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytTGSmsmNBPzHT3nb0ObxhC0sxb4iMuwN2eTv%2Bkwg3Jy4A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpVi9VYh7Z2UY79nsvGeND8d-R7N3O%3DOxixrDY2DRg79Aw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpVi9VYh7Z2UY79nsvGeND8d-R7N3O%3DOxixrDY2DRg79Aw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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