Thank you Garg ji for concluding. Regards Alka Khare
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:59:08 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > I think both are Clematis ladakhiana Grey-Wilson. > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 12:20, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sepals are acuminate here. I have to check the other one. >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Tue, 25 Oct, 2022, 12:08 pm Alka Khare, <alk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Mahadeswara ji and Garg ji. >>> >>> The hairs on the sepals from this post are different from the ones in >>> the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh >>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ> >>> , >>> >>> I am a bit confused. Are both of them C. ladakhiana? >>> >>> Regards >>> Alka Khare >>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 2:05:11 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Pl. see the detailed descriptions from BSI Flora of India: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Clematis ladakhiana * >>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4> >>>> Grey-Wilson >>>> >>>> *Clematis orientalis * >>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4> >>>> L. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Shrubs, climbing or straggling;* stems up to 2 - 3 m long, tinged >>>> with purplish brown, slightly pubescent to glabrous. Leaves pinnate with 5 >>>> - 7 leaflets or more or less bipinnate; *leaflets narrow-lanceolate, >>>> entire or with 1 - 2 lobes in the lower part, caudate-acute at apex, *(1.5 >>>> -) 2.7 - 9 x 0.4 - 2 cm, glabrous or subglabrous above and beneath, >>>> glaucous green. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Flowers axillary, yellow, often tinged or spotted with purplish brown >>>> or reddish brown outside; peduncles 0.6 - 4.7 cm long; bracts similar to >>>> leaves, generally with 3 - 5 leaflets; pedicels slender, 1.5 - 12 cm long, >>>> sparsely pubescent to subglabrous. *Sepals narrow-lanceolate to >>>> elliptic, acute to acuminate,* 15 - 25 x 4 - 10 mm, *glabrous to >>>> subglabrous outside, pubescent along margins, densely pubescent inside.* >>>> Filaments 6 - 10 mm long; anthers 2 - 3 mm long. Styles up to 4 cm long in >>>> fruit. >>>> >>>> *Fl. *July - Sept. >>>> >>>> *Large woody climbers or scramblers, *up to 8 m long; stems and >>>> branches angular, whitish grey or tinged with purplish red, sparsely >>>> pilose. Leaves pinnate, up to 7-foliolate or somewhat bipinnate and up to >>>> 9-foliolate; petioles 2 - 10 cm long; *leaflets oblong-lanceolate, >>>> elliptic or ovate or linear-oblong,* *simple or 2 - 3-lobed or deeply >>>> cleft, entire or sometimes trilobed, *oblique, cuneate or rounded at >>>> base, *obtuse or subacute at apex,* (1-) 2.5 - 6.5 x 0.5 - 3.5(-5) cm, >>>> glabrous or sparsely pilose, greyish green or glaucous; petiolules 5 - 30 >>>> mm long, pilose. Inflorescences axillary or terminal, elongated, 3-many- >>>> flowered, leafy cymes; peduncles 0.5 - 9.5 cm long; pedicels slender, 0.5 >>>> - >>>> 5 cm long, curved at apex, pilose, elongating in fruit; bracts oblong, >>>> elliptic or ovate, 2 - 20 x 1 - 10 mm, entire, unifoliolate, pinnate or 2 >>>> - >>>> 3-lobed, shortly petiolate, greyish green; flower buds ovoid, acute, dark >>>> red. Flowers 3 - 5 cm across, pale yellow, greenish yellow or >>>> cream-coloured, sometimes purplish brown inside, tinged with red-violet >>>> outside, often mottled with purple. *Sepals 4, ovate, oblong or >>>> elliptic, acute or subacute, *11 - 15 x 4 - 7.5 mm, *spreading, >>>> recurved later, silky villous outside or on both surfaces.* Stamens 20 >>>> - 40; filaments slender, broad at base, 4 - 8 mm long, yellow or dark >>>> purple; anthers 2.5 - 4 mm long. Carpels many, 5 - 11 mm long, ellipsoid >>>> or >>>> rhomboid; style 4 - 10 mm long, pubescent. Achenes rhomboid, laterally >>>> compound, ribbed at margins, 2 - 4 x 1 - 2 mm, dark brown, pubescent with >>>> 2.5 - 5 cm long hairy tails. >>>> >>>> *Fl. & Fr. *July - Sept. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Going by this, I will go for *Clematis ladakhiana *Grey-Wilson. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 17:06, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here are the keys from BSI Flora of India >>>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=1429&type=3> >>>>> : >>>>> b. Inflorescence a panicle of 5 - several flowers; sepals acute or >>>>> subacute at apex, pubescent along inner margins *14* >>>>> 14a. Leaflets long acuminate; filaments 2 - 3 times as long as anthers >>>>> 17. *Clematis ladakhiana >>>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4>* >>>>> b. Leaflets obtuse or acute; filaments less than 2 times as long as >>>>> anthers 22. *Clematis orientalis >>>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4>* >>>>> What should we consider these leaflets: 'long acuminate' or 'obtuse >>>>> or acute', in absence of anthers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 21:09, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OK Alka ji ! >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:18 PM Alka Khare <alk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you Saroj ji again >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:50:10 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar >>>>>>> Kasaju wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Clematis orientalis *L. ! >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 8:59 PM Alka Khare <alk...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello friends >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This was on the banks of the Pangong tso. >>>>>>>>> This looks different from the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ>, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> particularly the leaves. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Requested to please ID. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/97b685b9-ea80-46f3-b3dc-ed2d0929cae4n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/97b685b9-ea80-46f3-b3dc-ed2d0929cae4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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