Dear Gurcharan Ji, Thanks for the definitive identification With sincere regards Taffazull
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 1:09:10 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: > Better images of V. polita here > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/KV8xLo9NdmM/m/rXpGrDkfF0MJ > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:55:34 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: > >> Taffazul ji >> Your plant is clearly V. stewartii. >> See my post, I could get hold of herbarium sheet only, no live images. >> Good you got live images. >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e4kuquT6w_A/m/xEmu8FNGBgAJ >> >> My V. polita is here as of now >> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/x_7-i6Xa45c/m/RITpuWhGBgAJ >> >> On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 8:56:58 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Garg ji, >>> For ID with my limited expertise I would like the opinion of the >>> respected experts of this group. >>> I have tried to post as much detail as possible to help the experts to >>> arrive at the ID.Will post one more photo to show that unlike most >>> veronicas the corolla lobes are almost of equal size only the lowest is >>> perhaps slightly smaller. >>> Seems at least for this group it is a new addition.Could be a new record >>> for Srinagar. >>> Hope some expert member will provide more clarity >>> With sincere regards >>> Taffazull >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:02:32 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji. >>>> What about I'd? >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J. M. Garg >>>> >>>> On Sun, 19 Mar, 2023, 17:31 taffa...@gmail.com, <taffa...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Some more photos: >>>>> Photo1 : Capsule with short 2.5 mm pedicel (small square =1mm) >>>>> Photo2: Upper wall of capsule removed to show two locules and axile >>>>> placentation. >>>>> Photo 3: 2 seeds removed. >>>>> Photo4: All 4 seeds removed and empty capsule. >>>>> With regards >>>>> Taffazull >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:01:39 AM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok, Taffazull ji >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 at 22:38, taffa...@gmail.com <taffa...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Some clarifications: >>>>>>> 1. The vernacular name is I think best spelled as "*Zow ghas*" *Zow >>>>>>> *rhyming with "how" and translated as"louse weed". >>>>>>> 2, I had written hairy stigma but actually these are not hairs but >>>>>>> elongated papillary cells >>>>>>> 3.The capsule has 4 seeds and placentation is axile. I will post the >>>>>>> photos in due course. >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:03:29 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> According to Wikipedia corolla of V .hederifolia is 1 cm i.e 10 mm >>>>>>>> wide and blue in color but corolla of this plant is just about 1mm >>>>>>>> wide.and >>>>>>>> pinkish white. >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:11:38 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, >>>>>>>>> I think it cant be *V.hederifolia *because as Gurcharan ji has >>>>>>>>> pointed out in another post the pedicels of *hederifolia *are >>>>>>>>> long but in this plant they are barely 1-2 mm long. This is apart >>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>> fact that it does not occur in the Himalayas. Gurcharan ji in another >>>>>>>>> post >>>>>>>>> has mentioned another Himalayan plant *V.stewartii *which has 3 >>>>>>>>> lobed leaves and short pedicels. However there are no details >>>>>>>>> given so as to ascertain whether it is V.stewartii or not. >>>>>>>>> Information >>>>>>>>> about the shape of the ovary would be very helpful as most veronicas >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> flattened ovaries but this plant has a globose ovary. Further in this >>>>>>>>> plant >>>>>>>>> all the four lobes of the corolla are almost of equal size. >>>>>>>>> A local villager told me that villagers call it *"Zaw Ghas" >>>>>>>>> *literally >>>>>>>>> meaning "Lice grass". I think this is so called because its tiny >>>>>>>>> pinkish >>>>>>>>> white flowers resemble lice. >>>>>>>>> With regards >>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 12:42:33 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Looks different from similar looking species like as per images at >>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/04/05/veronica-persica/ >>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/04/05/veronica-didyma/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To me appears close to images (reported introduced in India) as >>>>>>>>>> per images and details >>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2019/03/19/veronica-hederifolia/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 16:02, taffa...@gmail.com < >>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>>>> Am posting photos of a plant growing on the side of a path in >>>>>>>>>>> Srinagar . The photos were taken very recently. It is a hairy herb. >>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>> flowers are minute about 1-2mm long with pinkish white corolla. >>>>>>>>>>> Because of >>>>>>>>>>> their small size they look like dust specks to the naked eye and >>>>>>>>>>> can only >>>>>>>>>>> be examined properly with a magnifying glass. All photos of flowers >>>>>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned were taken from specimens put under a dissecting >>>>>>>>>>> microscope. It >>>>>>>>>>> has four lobes of very hairy calyx divided to base. The four lobes >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> corolla (1-1.5mm) are divided to 3/4 of the length. Two stamens >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> filaments 1mm long bearing minute anthers are adnate to the >>>>>>>>>>> corolla, The >>>>>>>>>>> ovary differs from that of Veronicas in being globose. The style >>>>>>>>>>> ends in a >>>>>>>>>>> very hairy stigma. Would request the members to suggest the correct >>>>>>>>>>> ID if >>>>>>>>>>> this herb. >>>>>>>>>>> Photo1 and Photo 2 are the plants (Each small square of graph >>>>>>>>>>> paper=1mm) >>>>>>>>>>> Photo 3 is a view of the flower >>>>>>>>>>> Photo5 shows the two stamens adnate to corolla just as in *Veronica >>>>>>>>>>> persica* >>>>>>>>>>> Photo 8 is a photo of a mature fruit >>>>>>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b5933e99-008e-4650-8cad-0197e71216e7n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b5933e99-008e-4650-8cad-0197e71216e7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a2e3e5b0-5990-4025-9908-ed422ffcb261n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a2e3e5b0-5990-4025-9908-ed422ffcb261n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/edbc85e1-0e9b-4bbf-a432-4e4fe7ca550cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/edbc85e1-0e9b-4bbf-a432-4e4fe7ca550cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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