Sorry, It should be *V.stewartii* Regards Taffazull On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 3:38:04 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com wrote:
> One more photo of *V.stewarti *flower (Kashmiri name *"Zow Ghas"* ) > Flower seen from front. I have intentionally not cropped the photo so that > the actual size of the flower is emphasized > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 3:18:55 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Dear Gurcharan Ji, >> Thanks for the definitive identification >> With sincere regards >> Taffazull >> >> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 1:09:10 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: >> >>> Better images of V. polita here >>> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/KV8xLo9NdmM/m/rXpGrDkfF0MJ >>> >>> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:55:34 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Taffazul ji >>>> Your plant is clearly V. stewartii. >>>> See my post, I could get hold of herbarium sheet only, no live images. >>>> Good you got live images. >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e4kuquT6w_A/m/xEmu8FNGBgAJ >>>> >>>> My V. polita is here as of now >>>> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/x_7-i6Xa45c/m/RITpuWhGBgAJ >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 8:56:58 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>> For ID with my limited expertise I would like the opinion of the >>>>> respected experts of this group. >>>>> I have tried to post as much detail as possible to help the experts to >>>>> arrive at the ID.Will post one more photo to show that unlike most >>>>> veronicas the corolla lobes are almost of equal size only the lowest is >>>>> perhaps slightly smaller. >>>>> Seems at least for this group it is a new addition.Could be a new >>>>> record for Srinagar. >>>>> Hope some expert member will provide more clarity >>>>> With sincere regards >>>>> Taffazull >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:02:32 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji. >>>>>> What about I'd? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 19 Mar, 2023, 17:31 taffa...@gmail.com, <taffa...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Some more photos: >>>>>>> Photo1 : Capsule with short 2.5 mm pedicel (small square =1mm) >>>>>>> Photo2: Upper wall of capsule removed to show two locules and axile >>>>>>> placentation. >>>>>>> Photo 3: 2 seeds removed. >>>>>>> Photo4: All 4 seeds removed and empty capsule. >>>>>>> With regards >>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:01:39 AM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, Taffazull ji >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 at 22:38, taffa...@gmail.com < >>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some clarifications: >>>>>>>>> 1. The vernacular name is I think best spelled as "*Zow ghas*" *Zow >>>>>>>>> *rhyming with "how" and translated as"louse weed". >>>>>>>>> 2, I had written hairy stigma but actually these are not hairs but >>>>>>>>> elongated papillary cells >>>>>>>>> 3.The capsule has 4 seeds and placentation is axile. I will post >>>>>>>>> the photos in due course. >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:03:29 PM UTC+5:30 >>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> According to Wikipedia corolla of V .hederifolia is 1 cm i.e 10 >>>>>>>>>> mm wide and blue in color but corolla of this plant is just about >>>>>>>>>> 1mm >>>>>>>>>> wide.and pinkish white. >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:11:38 PM UTC+5:30 >>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, >>>>>>>>>>> I think it cant be *V.hederifolia *because as Gurcharan ji >>>>>>>>>>> has pointed out in another post the pedicels of *hederifolia *are >>>>>>>>>>> long but in this plant they are barely 1-2 mm long. This is apart >>>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>>> fact that it does not occur in the Himalayas. Gurcharan ji in >>>>>>>>>>> another post >>>>>>>>>>> has mentioned another Himalayan plant *V.stewartii *which has >>>>>>>>>>> 3 lobed leaves and short pedicels. However there are no details >>>>>>>>>>> given so as to ascertain whether it is V.stewartii or not. >>>>>>>>>>> Information >>>>>>>>>>> about the shape of the ovary would be very helpful as most >>>>>>>>>>> veronicas have >>>>>>>>>>> flattened ovaries but this plant has a globose ovary. Further in >>>>>>>>>>> this plant >>>>>>>>>>> all the four lobes of the corolla are almost of equal size. >>>>>>>>>>> A local villager told me that villagers call it *"Zaw Ghas" >>>>>>>>>>> *literally >>>>>>>>>>> meaning "Lice grass". I think this is so called because its tiny >>>>>>>>>>> pinkish >>>>>>>>>>> white flowers resemble lice. >>>>>>>>>>> With regards >>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 12:42:33 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looks different from similar looking species like as per images >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/04/05/veronica-persica/ >>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/04/05/veronica-didyma/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To me appears close to images (reported introduced in India) as >>>>>>>>>>>> per images and details >>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2019/03/19/veronica-hederifolia/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 16:02, taffa...@gmail.com < >>>>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am posting photos of a plant growing on the side of a path in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Srinagar . The photos were taken very recently. It is a hairy >>>>>>>>>>>>> herb. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers are minute about 1-2mm long with pinkish white corolla. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of >>>>>>>>>>>>> their small size they look like dust specks to the naked eye and >>>>>>>>>>>>> can only >>>>>>>>>>>>> be examined properly with a magnifying glass. All photos of >>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers unless >>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned were taken from specimens put under a dissecting >>>>>>>>>>>>> microscope. It >>>>>>>>>>>>> has four lobes of very hairy calyx divided to base. The four >>>>>>>>>>>>> lobes of >>>>>>>>>>>>> corolla (1-1.5mm) are divided to 3/4 of the length. Two stamens >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> filaments 1mm long bearing minute anthers are adnate to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> corolla, The >>>>>>>>>>>>> ovary differs from that of Veronicas in being globose. The style >>>>>>>>>>>>> ends in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> very hairy stigma. Would request the members to suggest the >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct ID if >>>>>>>>>>>>> this herb. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo1 and Photo 2 are the plants (Each small square of graph >>>>>>>>>>>>> paper=1mm) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 3 is a view of the flower >>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo5 shows the two stamens adnate to corolla just as in >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Veronica >>>>>>>>>>>>> persica* >>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 8 is a photo of a mature fruit >>>>>>>>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b5933e99-008e-4650-8cad-0197e71216e7n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b5933e99-008e-4650-8cad-0197e71216e7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a2e3e5b0-5990-4025-9908-ed422ffcb261n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a2e3e5b0-5990-4025-9908-ed422ffcb261n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/edbc85e1-0e9b-4bbf-a432-4e4fe7ca550cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/edbc85e1-0e9b-4bbf-a432-4e4fe7ca550cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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