Thanks a lot, Afloden ji ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: afloden <aflo...@vols.utk.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 at 22:51 Subject: Re: Polygonatum cirrhifolium (Wall.) Royle To: Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com>, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> Cc: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
In my concepts of the species and the molecular lineages of these verticillate-leaved species I would say that this plant is closest in appearance to P. fuscum, which was described from Yunnan, China. But, I'll add that the molecular data did not put these species with maculate perianths all into a single clade. Some are large plants, some are small, some are more cirrhose, some have blue fruits vs red, and some are fragrant. Most occur at higher elevations in the mountains. In some populations the perianth is greenish to white, and sometimes pink, but always with darker spots at least on the lobes. I think in some older treatments as far back as Hooker, this form would be found under P. fargesii. Polygonatum fargesii was described from present-day Chongqing Province near the Shaanxi Province border and is probably part of this group of species. This group is a real taxonomic nightmare that requires extensive sampling from Nepal eastward to Central China to really sort out and understand the problems. Aaron ------------------------------ *From:* Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2023 11:07 AM *To:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> *Cc:* afloden <aflo...@vols.utk.edu>; efloraofindia < indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* Re: Polygonatum cirrhifolium (Wall.) Royle I am still confused about the ID of this sp. Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:02 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: I did not fins P. leptophyllum listed for Nepal. Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 8:15 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks a lot, Afloden ji. On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 19:52, afloden <aflo...@vols.utk.edu> wrote: For the time being Polygonatum verticillatum will have to work for that plant. I know what some of the species included under P. verticillatum are, but these white and green flowered plants I still do not completely know. It could be P. leptophyllum, but I think of that as a smaller plant without cirrhose leaf tips. Aaron ------------------------------ *From:* J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:31 AM *To:* efloraofindia *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju *Subject:* Fwd: Polygonatum cirrhifolium (Wall.) Royle For the time being, I will go for Polygonatum verticillatum <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asparagaceae/polygonatum/polygonatum-verticillatum> rather than Polygonatum cirrhifolium <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asparagaceae/polygonatum/polygonatum-cirrhifolium> as per images herein. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Saroj Kasaju* <kasajusa...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 14:58 Subject: Polygonatum cirrhifolium (Wall.) Royle To: efloraindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg < jmga...@gmail.com> Dear Members, Location: Chandragiri, Kathmandu, Nepal Altitude: 2511 m. Date: 27 May 2019 Habit : Wild Thank you. Saroj Kasaju -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). 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