Thanks Gurcharan Ji For throwing light on the matter On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Balkar ji > The first plant is closer to S. chrysanthemoides which shows a lot of > variation. I have also photographed similar plant from Gulmarg, which I > initially (but wrongly) thought S. jacquemontianus, but thanks to Alok ji. I > have still to fix it, refraining to call it S. chrysanthemoides because > heads are about 2.5 cm across, whereas they are scarcely exceeding 1.5 cm in > S. chrysanthemoides > > The second plant clearly belongs to Ligularia section of former Senecio. I > can;t count more than 8-10 ligules, so it can't be S. arnicoides (now > Cremanthodium arnicoides) which has larger heads (often 6 cm across) and > 15-30 ligules. Closest is S. jacquemontianus which has 12-15 ligules. > > In this genus and other side close up is very important, because involucre > bracts number is crucial in species identification. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Balkar Arya <balkara...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> all wild Guess !!! >> You pics no *080511_1118.jpg may also be cremanthodium arnicoides* >> *Firstly posted may be Senecio chrysanthemoides >> * >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Yes Alok ji >>> You may be right about your this plant being S. jacquemontianus. Your >>> first plant has to be explored further. >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Alok Mahendroo >>> <alokisabe...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, >>>> Begging your pardon... This seems very different from what I thought to >>>> be Senecio >>>> jacquemontianus.... attaching that file too.. >>>> regards >>>> Alok >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 20:15 +0530, Gurcharan Singh wrote: >>>> > Yes Alok ji >>>> > It is a species of Senecio for sure. Even a few species now placed >>>> > under Jacobaea (incl. J. raphanifolia) were formerly placed under >>>> > Senecio. The above plant from head size and leaves may perhaps be >>>> > Senecio jacquemontianus, but this needs to be confirmed. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Alok Mahendroo >>>> > <alokisabe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Sir, >>>> > You know much more than anyone I know.. about this.. but then >>>> > what could >>>> > it be... and is it Senecio sp. in the first place.. or I am >>>> > deluded .... >>>> > regards >>>> > Alok >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 17:19 +0530, Gurcharan Singh wrote: >>>> > > Alok ji >>>> > > This species is not reported from Western Himalayas. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Himalayan Village Education Trust >>>> Village Khudgot, >>>> P.O. Dalhousie >>>> District Chamba >>>> H.P. 176304, India >>>> >>>> www.hivetrust.wordpress.com >>>> www.forwildlife.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observations_by_user?_js=on&_new=true&id=2186 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Dr Balkar Singh >> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >> Arya P G College, Panipat >> Haryana-132103 >> 09416262964 >> > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > -- Regards Dr Balkar Singh Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology Arya P G College, Panipat Haryana-132103 09416262964
