"But in Amorphophallus, being a biennial plant, flowers and leaves are never observed togusually flowers appear with out leaves. Also leaves are usually pinnate or decompound in Amorphophallus."
Yes I agree with Manudev and Pascal. I totally forgotten this fact. I was thinking of unusual number of fruits for *Arisema*. I am not familiar with *Arisaema murrayi. *May be if we get a complete picture of leaf, we may able to tell. Any way, new plant to me. Thanks and Regards Giby On 11 November 2011 18:33, Pascal Bruggeman <coryba...@hotmail.com> wrote: > All, > > I agree with Manudev, without more data impossible to say what it is, a > close-up of the leaves would be very helpful as well as a close-up of the > berries to see any remnants of stigma or spadix appendix. The leaflets seem > too broad for an Amorphophallus and also the leaves of Amorphophallus are > always divided in 3 equal parts at the center of the leaf where it is > attached to the petiole. If from Sinhagad near Pune and indeed an Arisaema > it could be either murrayi or a robust specimen of neglectum like Manudev > says. Neglectum is NOT a synonym of tortuosum, there are several stable > characters that distinguish them from eachother and they grow side by side > in certain locaties in Maharahstra without producing hybrids. Length of > pseudostem is comparable between murrayi and neglectum in most forms but in > general not a reliable character. > > Pascal > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:11:59 +0530 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:93713] identification no170811sn3 > From: manudevkmadha...@gmail.com > To: giby.kuriak...@gmail.com > CC: jmga...@gmail.com; indiantreepix@googlegroups.com; > tanaybos...@gmail.com; satish_ni...@yahoo.com; coryba...@hotmail.com; > jorge.lin...@gmail.com; le...@rediffmail.com; drsmpha...@gmail.com; > tchak...@gmail.com; ajinkyagad...@gmail.com; agastiayur...@yahoo.co.in; > aparnawat...@gmail.com; raanibha...@gmail.com; neha.vind...@gmail.com; > rahumu...@gmail.com; plumbagozeylan...@gmail.com; mohinamac...@gmail.com; > itii...@gmail.com; skarthikeyan...@gmail.com; kamo...@gmail.com > > > Giby ji, > > You can see an leaf associated with the infructescence. But leaflets are > not clearly visible. I suppose that leaf belongs to the same plant only.. > Usually in *Arisaema*, peduncles are enclosed by the sheathing leaf base, > forming a pseudostem. But in *A. murrayi *and some allied species from > Northern Western Ghats, this pseudostem is either absent or much shorter > compared to *Arisaema tortuosum*. > > But in Amorphophallus, being a biennial plant, flowers and leaves are > never observed togusually flowers appear with out leaves. Also leaves are > usually pinnate or decompound in Amorphophallus. > > I think, considering the presence of a leaf, we can rule out the chance > for Amorphophallus. > I had been to this locality last year and I could collect *Arisaema > murrayi* from there, which more or less similar to this plant. But I can > not confirm without flowers. We can not rule out the possibilty of * > Arisaema* *neglectum* (now treated as a synonym of *Arisaema tortuosum*) > also. I assume the leaflets to be broad and obovate in shape, which is > usually not seen in *A. neglectum*. Also the length of the psedostem not > matching. > > A snap from another angle showing leaflets can supplement the evidences > for the ID. > > with warm regards > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Giby Kuriakose > <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com>wrote: > > But Manudev, the fruiting inflorescence (size), number of fruits (equal or > more number of female flowers) and the leaves (whatever little visible) > gives an impression that this could be a species *Amorphophallus *to me. > > May be we will wait for more pictures in which we can see the leaves > clearly. > * > * > * > * > Regards, > Giby* * > * * > > On 11 November 2011 12:03, manudev madhavan <manudevkmadha...@gmail.com>wrote: > > Could be a species of *Arisaema. But not possible to identify without > seeing the habit and inflorescence. may be A. murrayi. I could collect A. > murrayi from the same locality. * > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. > > Some earlier relevant feedback: > > “Do you have a picture of the leaves. > It will be easier to confirm. > Thanks > Tanay” > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Satish Nikam* <satish_ni...@yahoo.com> > Date: 17 August 2011 11:41 > Subject: [efloraofindia:77326] identification no170811sn3 > To: Indiantrees Pics <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > Kindly identify the plant.A wild guessArisaema tortuosum > date/time:July/Aug > location:mulshi,Pune > habitat:wild > plant habit:herb > height/lenght:about 3 ft. > leaves:-- > inflorescence:-- > thanks > regards > satish nikam > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& > eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise): > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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