Thanks Rashida ji That should settle the issue. Any other thing as I wrote earlier is the matter of Taxonomic judgement.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com>wrote: > Dr. Gurcharan ji, Here are the details as requested by you sir for the > species under discussion from Flora of Mah, Vol V - A pg 28, 29 > *Corymborkis* Thouars > > 1. Small pseudobulbs present- *C. densiflora* > > 1. Pseudobulbs not present- C. versicolor > > Five new combinations have been described- C. acuminata (D. Don) Almeida > (comb. nov.). > > C. intermedia (A. Rich.) Almeida (comb. nov.) > > C. latifolia (J.E.Sm.) Almeida (comb. nov) > > C. versicolor (Lind.) Almeida (comb. nov.). > > Two explanations of particular interest to the discussion, one on pg 29 > under the description of c. acuminata is as follows: "Generic name * > Malaxis* Sw. is not applicable to the generic concept and circumscription > of these species. Why it is not a appropriate generic name for our plants, > is explained under C. *versicolor.* Other generic name used for the taxa > under this group is *Microstylis* Nutt. (nom.cons.). This generic name > also applies to the New World series, which is typified by *Microstylis > ophioglossoides* Willd., and Willdenow might be correct considering it a > close ally of *Geodorum Jackson. *(1810). Lindley (1827) published a new > generic name under *Dienia* *congesta* Lindl. based on Malaxis latifolia > J.E. Sm. However, the earliest available generic name for this generic > concept happens to be *Corymborchis* Du Petit Thuars. applied to Himalayan > species going under *Malaxis* and *Microstylis* (Sensu lato). I propose to > restore this generic name for our Indian orchids ". > > Another important explanation at the end of the description of C. > versicolor is as follows: pg 30 : "The Malaxis rheedii Sw. was revived by > Nair & Ansari (1981) . However, Swartz in original publication (1778) has > cited *Epidendrum* *resupinatum* G. Forst., reducing his new name to > illegitimate status . Seidenfaden (Bot. Tidsskr. 73: 97, 1978) excluded > Forster's synonym and lectotypified Swartz's name on Rheede's figure. This > practice is against the rules of the ICBN. Any name including the > indication of type of different species or even the inclusion of the name > of different species renders the new name illegitimate, irrespective of its > own type. Similarly, Swartz's generic name also must be typified by > Epidendrum resupinatum Forst. Secondly , Seidenfaden was wrong in selecting > Rheede's figure as type. because Swartz had proposed the name for Occidental > plant which he has applied to Oriental species". > > I hope the above resolves the confusion. Sir just a few days back Dr. > Almeida had mentioned to me that it can take any number of years for the Kew > index and other data indexes to update the new combinations. > > I am also attaching scanned image of a line drawing and a picture of C. > versicolor from the flora. > > regards, > Rashida. > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I have met Dr. Almeida personally and I respect him undoubtedly and I also >> know some of his students very well. My intention of saying was just to see >> what he has done with Malaxis in his book. My personal view says, they can >> never be placed in Corymborkis.....it is totally out of my head!! He may >> have made a new combination... >> >> Neither do I doubt credibility of Dr. Neil. What he said was based on a >> proper reference, so has is justified himself. >> >> Sameer Surve, Swapna, Aparna, Page, if you are reading this, then get me >> xerox of orchidaceae. I would really like to see. The book is not available >> in Dehradun. >> >> Regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Neil ji >>> It may solve the issue if you could have the paragraph on nomenclature >>> (with authority) of this species forwarded on the group. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Prof. Singh, >>>> I own all the voumes of 'Flora of Maharashtra' but haven't had time, >>>> neither do I have any material to work on. >>>> Regards, >>>> Neil Soares. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On *Thu, 8/19/10, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Re: [efloraofindia:44808] Re: one more ground orchid for id >>>> from Amboli >>>> To: "dinesh kumar agrawala" <dk_...@rediffmail.com> >>>> Cc: sahanipan...@gmail.com, tanaybos...@gmail.com, >>>> drneilsoa...@yahoo.com, indiantreepix@googlegroups.com, >>>> le...@rediffmail.com >>>> Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 2:38 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Members >>>> It is true that name Corymborkis versicolor has not been incorporated >>>> in IPNI, but we should respect Neil ji's word, and not reject it >>>> outright.May be the book has not reached the compilers of these >>>> databases. Dr. Almeida is a accomplished taxonomist with great contribution >>>> to the knowledge of Flora of Maharashtra. Till some one from the area is >>>> able to get hold of this volume, we should avoid commenting to the >>>> contrary. >>>> Perhaps Neil ji can help in procuring this important page of the book, or >>>> possibly Rashida ji who knows the Flora of Maharashtra so well. >>>> >>>> As far as whether the two species are distinct or synonymous is a matter >>>> of taxonomic judgement. There are thousands of species which have been >>>> merged or split by different authors. Only yesterday there was a plant >>>> uploaded by me from Kashmir with dense inflorescence and much narrower >>>> leaves (which Flora of Pakistan treated as Phytolacca latbenia Walter) and >>>> one uploaded by Nalini ji from Germany with much lax inflorescence and >>>> broader almost ovate leaves 20-30 cm broad. Most recent publications treat >>>> both as P. acinosa. >>>> Let us wait about the two species of Malaxis also till the said volume >>>> of Dr. Almeida is available to any member. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, dinesh kumar agrawala < >>>> dk_...@rediffmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dk_...@rediffmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree with Dr. Pankaj that Malaxis rheedii and M. versicolor are two >>>> different plants based on Microstylis rheedii amd Microstylis versicolor >>>> respectively. The generic concept as to which genus these species will >>>> belong is a never ending debate which can only be solved with the help of >>>> phylogenetic and experimental taxonomy. It does not matter in which genus >>>> it >>>> is being treated but the identity at species level does really matters. It >>>> is true that the two species are different and treated under Seidenfia by >>>> Sath. Kumar and Manilal, Orchids of Kerala in Orchid Memories: a tribute to >>>> G. Seidenfaden published in 2004. Regarding the species level difference, >>>> there are some publications specific to this two species but unable to >>>> recall right now. Sorry for that. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:50:16 +0530 wrote >>>> >>>> >Dear Neil Sir, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just wanted to ask...do you mean to say that the Shubhada's plant is >>>> >>>> not Crepidium resupinatum? but Corymborkis versicolor? >>>> >>>> Or you are talking about your plant. Please do post a closeup picture >>>> >>>> of the flowers if possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I dont know of any species which is called Corymborkis >>>> >>>> versicolor. Corymborkis belongs to subfamily Tropidioideae whereas the >>>> >>>> Malaxis group belongs to Epidendroideae. They are totally different. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Secondly, Malaxis versicolor and Malaxis rheedii are two different >>>> >>>> plants according to my knowledge and IPNI and Kew. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I may be wrong though. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dinesh Kumar Agrawala >>>> Research Officer (Botany) >>>> Central Council for Research in Ayurveda and Siddha >>>> Jawaharlal Nehru Bhartiya Chikitsa Avum Homeopathy Anusandhan Bhawan >>>> 61-65, Institutional Area >>>> Opposite D-Block, Janakpuri >>>> New Delhi - 110 058 >>>> Mobile: +91 9560570745 >>>> SAVE PLANTS AND SAVE LIFE >>>> >>>> <http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline....@middle?> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
