Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Fabian Cenedese
I was investigating case sensitivity, thinking that it was somehow necessary for the support of Windows clients, when it occurred to me that the _only_ value-added feature this provides is that Windows users don't need to specify the case of files and paths correctly in remote commands. We once

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Jim
We once had the minor problem that somehow files showed up twice (e.g. doing an update). It turned out that the case of the file itself didn't match the entry in the entries file. So cvs once reported the file from the entries file and then again while looking for unknown files. It behaved

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Fabian Cenedese
We once had the minor problem that somehow files showed up twice (e.g. doing an update). It turned out that the case of the file itself didn't match the entry in the entries file. So cvs once reported the file from the entries file and then again while looking for unknown files. It behaved

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread Andy Jones
Is it just me, or is this getting way too complex to be usable except by CVS experts? I thought I was comfortable with the issues surrounding branches and merges, even though we are not using branches yet here. But I don't understand half of what you folks are saying. Worse: in my

Question about export -kv and binaries

2003-11-05 Thread Ton van Bart
Hi, in my company we have a Java web project that we control with CVS. When we do a release build, we run a buildscript that starts with a cvs export -kv on the correct tag and builds the release from there. The project also contains a lib/ subdirectory containing (third-party) jarfiles that had

Upgrade CVS server from 1.10 to 1.16 or any latest

2003-11-05 Thread Sunil Pachunde
Hi All, We are planning to upgrade our CVS server from 1.10 version to latest. And selected to use CVS version 1.16 or any latest. Now we wants know the features and any pros and cons in 1.16 above. Please suggest and update. --

cvs server question!

2003-11-05 Thread bangke bangke
I am building a cvs server in redhat9. I want my users to connect my server both via pserver and ssh, and only ssh can modify the files. How to set this? I am using xinetd. Thanks! _ MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread David Wood
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I _think_ this is the greatest common ancestor problem. And finding one is actually something CVS does for you - on the first mege (with a single -j). Which is usually OK in cases where a branch immediately dies (i.e. becomes dormant) afterwards. The problem is

RE: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Greg A. Woods [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ On Tuesday, November 4, 2003 at 13:57:25 (-0500), Derek Robert Price wrote: ] Subject: Case insensitivity ad nauseum So anyway, why _don't_ we remove the case-insensitivity support? I can only say it should never ever have been put in in

What is the proper way to talk to the developers

2003-11-05 Thread Tony Ennis
...and suggest an enhancement. Anyone know how? ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim.Hyslop wrote: |It sounds like I'm going to be the sole dissenting voice here, at least so |far. Let me explain my reasoning; it will be rather round-about, but please |bear with me. It will (I hope) make sense in the end. [. . . snip . . .] |It

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:11:45AM -0500, Jim.Hyslop wrote: It sounds like I'm going to be the sole dissenting voice here, at least so far. Let me explain my reasoning; it will be rather round-about, but please bear with me. It will (I hope) make sense in the end. snip A file name is a label

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Wood wrote: |Please correct me if I'm wrong. I _think_ this is the greatest common |ancestor problem. And finding one is actually something CVS does for you |- on the first mege (with a single -j). Which is usually OK in cases where |a branch

Re: What is the proper way to talk to the developers

2003-11-05 Thread Donald Sharp
you appear to have found it. donald On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:28:16AM -0500, Tony Ennis wrote: ...and suggest an enhancement. Anyone know how? ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim wrote: | Yes - if you use a poor editor it will not preserve the case of the | |filenames. FAT32, NTFS both preserve the case, even if it doesn't actually |USE the case... It is entirely feasible to leave CVS case sensitive and |make a note

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fabian Cenedese wrote: |The strange thing here is that cvs is inconsequent. It should report the |file from the entries as missing and recreate it (though not possible on |Windows) and further should report an unknown file in the directory. |But what

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Kevin Layer
Jim.Hyslop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... is it generally considered bad practise to have two files with the same name, that differ only by case, in the same directory? Yes. My understanding is that the common practise on Unix is to use all lower-case names, to avoid potential confusion.

RE: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Donald Sharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not terribly uncommon to have both Makefile and makefile in some build trees I've seen( and they have a different meaning to make! ) on unix. I wouldn't want cvs to stop surporting the ability to track this at all! It's not unreasonable to

Re: What is the proper way to talk to the developers

2003-11-05 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Ennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...and suggest an enhancement. Anyone know how? The developers read e-mail sent to this address [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD)

Re: cvs server question!

2003-11-05 Thread Tom Copeland
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 07:34, bangke bangke wrote: I am building a cvs server in redhat9. I want my users to connect my server both via pserver and ssh, and only ssh can modify the files. Yup, standard stuff. How to set this? I am using xinetd. Thanks! How far have you gotten? Have you

RE: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Steve McIntyre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point I'd like to make: labels are case-sensitive already. Live with it. I think you missed my main point: *why* should the user have to deal with it? Just because that's the way it works? Well then, let's *change* the way it works, so

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread David Wood
Derek Robert Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/05/2003 10:38:02 AM: No. The GCA has not changed and CVS determines it correctly. You simply no longer wish to merge from the GCA forward because some of those changes were already merged to your destination (from another branch and at your

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread Jamie Wellnitz
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:55:38AM +, Andy Jones wrote: Is it just me, or is this getting way too complex to be usable except by CVS experts? I thought I was comfortable with the issues surrounding branches and merges, even though we are not using branches yet here. But I don't

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:35:12AM -0500, Jim.Hyslop wrote: Steve McIntyre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point I'd like to make: labels are case-sensitive already. Live with it. I think you missed my main point: *why* should the user have to deal with it? Just because that's the way

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Derek Robert Price wrote: | Jim.Hyslop wrote: | | |It sounds like I'm going to be the sole dissenting voice here, at least so | |far. Let me explain my reasoning; it will be rather round-about, but please | |bear with me. It will (I hope) make sense

CVS auditing improvement

2003-11-05 Thread Tony Ennis
Recently, we had issues at my company which revolved around CVS branches being forgotten. That is, work was done, but the branches were never merged on to the mainline. While this is a mistake on the developers' part, that is of little comfort to the project manager who is responsible for the

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread Mark D. Baushke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Derek Robert Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/05/2003 10:38:02 AM: No. The GCA has not changed and CVS determines it correctly. You simply no longer wish to merge from the GCA forward because some of

Re: What is the proper way to talk to the developers

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Ennis wrote: |...and suggest an enhancement. | |Anyone know how? Politely, deferentially, respectfully, ... oh! That's not what you meant, is it? ;) Derek - -- ~*8^) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get CVS support at

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Wood wrote: |Derek Robert Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/05/2003 10:38:02 AM: | |No. The GCA has not changed and CVS determines it correctly. You |simply no longer wish to merge from the GCA forward because some of |those changes were

RE: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Jim.Hyslop
Derek Robert Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you volunteering to maintain this code? I'm getting sick of it. :) Ah, well... gee, look at the time! ;-) I don't think the overhead for such a small gain, the worth of which is completely dependant on personal case-philosophy, and

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Derek Robert Price wrote: | Greatest Common Ancestor, or GCA, is a term that refers to the RCS | revision structure and always means the *more* recent revision two | revisions have in common, often a branch point, but in the case of a | branch of a

Server Responses

2003-11-05 Thread Brice Oliver
How do I know when a response from the CVS server will have more than one line. I have read the documentation on the client/server protocol, but it still leaves me with questions. For example: Not every line that comes back to the client has one of the responses that is found in the

Re: Server Responses

2003-11-05 Thread Derek Robert Price
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brice Oliver wrote: |How do I know when a response from the CVS server will have more than one |line. I have read the documentation on the client/server protocol, but it |still leaves me with questions. The obvious place to look would be in the CVS

Re: Server Responses

2003-11-05 Thread Alexander Taler
Brice == Brice Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brice To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brice Subject: Server Responses Brice Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:46:54 -0500 Brice I would like to parse the responses from the server. Any good Brice suggestions? You might be interested

RE: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Paul Sander
--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve McIntyre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point I'd like to make: labels are case-sensitive already. Live with it. I think you missed my main point: *why* should the user have to deal with it? Just because that's the way it works? Well

RE: Server Responses

2003-11-05 Thread WJCarpenter
brice How do I know when a response from the CVS server will have brice more than one line. I have read the documentation on the brice client/server protocol, but it still leaves me with questions. brice For example: Not every line that comes back to the client has brice one of the responses

Re: Server Responses

2003-11-05 Thread Larry Jones
Brice Oliver writes: How do I know when a response from the CVS server will have more than one line. I have read the documentation on the client/server protocol, but it still leaves me with questions. Then you need to read it again. And again. Until you really understand it. It has been

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Larry Jones
Jim.Hyslop writes: From the time we first learned to read, we have never considered the case of a word to be significant in determining the identity of an object being referred to. That simply is not true, there are times when case is significant. The words Polish and polish, for example.

Re: Rephrasing: question about merging branches

2003-11-05 Thread David Wood
Derek Robert Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/05/2003 12:43:14 PM: Greatest Common Ancestor, or GCA, is a term that refers to the RCS revision structure and always means the more recent revision two revisions have in common, often a branch point, but in the case of a branch of a branch and

Re: Case insensitivity ad nauseum

2003-11-05 Thread Jim
Jim.Hyslop [EMAIL PROTECTED] WeLl mAdE ArguMent... No, not at all. For example, of the 111 items in my home directory right now, 17 of them use upper-case letters in a meaningful way. Common practice is to name some things on Unix in a mixture of cases, e.g. Makefile, Imakefile, ChangeLog.

RE: Upgrade CVS server from 1.10 to 1.16 or any latest

2003-11-05 Thread Gagneet Singh
Hi! Firstly, if you are using the release version 1.10 then there is a major security release in version 1.11.5. This information is available at the cvshome site I have refered you to. If you go through the news of the release version you will be able to find that out. QUOTE 2003-01-20: CVS