[PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread admin
WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come across it. Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON so I don't have to hear about it constantly? Those that disagree don't do enough PHP support to know how often it is as

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Daniel P. Brown
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 20:47, admin wrote: > > Those that disagree don't do enough PHP support to know how often it is > asked. it's worth it. Someone disagreeing with your request to change something does not correlate to their doing "enough PHP support." There are many reasons to disagree

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: > WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? > > This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come > across it. > Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON so I don't have to hear > about it > constantly? > > Those that disagree don

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread admin
On 10/29/2010 08:11 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come across it. Can we please change the token name to T_DOUBLE_COLON so I don't have to hear about

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Scott MacVicar
On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:17 PM, admin wrote: > On 10/29/2010 08:11 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: >> >>> WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? >>> >>> This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come >>> across it. >>> Can we please cha

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 10/29/2010 8:17 PM, admin wrote: >> > obviously the old arguments didn't work, time to start anew. obviously you didn't stop to learn the art of persuasion. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Chad Emrys
On 10/29/2010 08:31 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 10/29/2010 8:17 PM, admin wrote: obviously the old arguments didn't work, time to start anew. obviously you didn't stop to learn the art of persuasion. That's just rude, dude. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Develop

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Chad Emrys
On 10/29/2010 08:24 PM, Scott MacVicar wrote: On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:17 PM, admin wrote: On 10/29/2010 08:11 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 10/29/2010 7:47 PM, admin wrote: WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when t

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread James Butler
I'll bite. Why should this be changed? Is it broken? Is it something that 1 second on google can't answer? If somebody is advanced enough to be using classes (I think about the only time you would use a double colon) then they should know what it means. -- James Butler Sent from my iPhone On

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 21:24, Scott MacVicar wrote: > > using a name like "admin" in your email headers isn't going to be very > receptive. I was thinking the exact same thing. Glad not to be the only one. ;-P -- Network Infrastructure Manager Documentation, Webmaster Teams http://www.

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Chad Emrys
On 10/29/2010 09:29 PM, James Butler wrote: I'll bite. Why should this be changed? Is it broken? Is it something that 1 second on google can't answer? If somebody is advanced enough to be using classes (I think about the only time you would use a double colon) then they should know what it mea

RE: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Andi Gutmans
The first google entry when you search for it gives you the answer. It is actually unbelievably easy to find the answer via search. If a new PHP developer can't find it then maybe they shouldn't be writing code. This is a piece of history from the PHP 3 days and think it adds some character, a

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Pierre Jaury
As you mention, PHP errors are token names. Users have to read the manual to understand them at first sight. Then, what's the matter in having a bit of fun and nostalgia naming the tokens ? Switching to meanful error messages would make your point though. Pierre. Le samedi 30 octobre 2010 à 01:1

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Chad Emrys
On 10/30/2010 01:23 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: The first google entry when you search for it gives you the answer. It is actually unbelievably easy to find the answer via search. If a new PHP developer can't find it then maybe they shouldn't be writing code. This is a piece of history from the PH

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 10/29/10 11:17 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: > The fact they have to google to figure out what it means, the error > message fails at it's purpose. (Realistically it'll take longer than a > second unless you got google hot keyed to your log reader). I Liked > Stefan's idea in the previous thread to not

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Chad Emrys
On 10/30/2010 01:30 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: On 10/29/10 11:17 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: The fact they have to google to figure out what it means, the error message fails at it's purpose. (Realistically it'll take longer than a second unless you got google hot keyed to your log reader). I Like

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
On 10/30/2010 11:53 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: > I would prefer this was not changed. +1 (for the same reasons) -- Sebastian BergmannCo-Founder and Principal Consultant http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://thePHP.cc/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime De

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! I can see only positives by switching it out. can someone give me a light on how much it would actually cost to do that? Some negatives? I It would probably require bribing all the opponents, so the cost would be in high six digits (in $US) I guess. what I am trying to point out as a

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-10-29 Thread Chad Emrys
On 10/30/2010 01:36 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: Hi! I can see only positives by switching it out. can someone give me a light on how much it would actually cost to do that? Some negatives? I It would probably require bribing all the opponents, so the cost would be in high six digits (in $US)