I hadn’t thought of list().
I've update the patch (attached) so that each value has both an indexed and
associative entry in the returned array, so that it will still work with list().
Paul
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From: Alexey Shein [mailto:con...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 July 2011 10:44
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This one is quite positive, I'm all +1 on this as a user land developer.
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On Jul 11, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
On 7/11/11 5:09 PM, Philip Olson wrote:
this previously accepted RFC is not about removing magic quotes. And I'm the
author of said RFC. It deals with PHP 5.3 which removed get_magic_quotes_*()
so this old RFC restored them into both
Hi!
On 7/13/11 8:55 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
But this topic (removing magic quotes from 5.4) was not proposed on
this list, so the vote feels premature. The only related RFC on the
matter involves PHP 6, and it isn't specific to MQ. Granted we all
don't like MQ, but this security feature is
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:02, David Soria Parra d...@php.net wrote:
On 2011-07-12, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
As of now I do not think we should allow this change, whether the RFC
is accepted or not does not matter as it will badly break BC. Unless
there is a patch allowing
Hi!
On 7/13/11 9:35 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
This thread is an excellent example why attempting to reach consensus
by discussing things is important.
Voting should be considered as an desperate last resort, not the
primary mechanism.
http://producingoss.com/en/consensus-democracy.html has
On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:02, David Soria Parra d...@php.net wrote:
On 2011-07-12, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
As of now I do not think we should allow this change, whether the RFC
is accepted or not does not matter as
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
On 7/10/11 9:41 AM, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
I'm sure some projects have defined classes with those keywords in
some namespace (to ensure they wouldn't conflict with possible PHP
built-in stuff) like in:
namespace \Types {
class
hi Hannes,
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Hannes Magnusson
hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:02, David Soria Parra d...@php.net wrote:
On 2011-07-12, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
As of now I do not think we should allow this change, whether the RFC
On 07/13/2011 10:30 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I disagree and this exact issue shows that the voting and controlling
is actually working well, very well. As it is covered by the two
recently adopted RFCs.
I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that it is working well.
This particular change
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 8:55 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
But this topic (removing magic quotes from 5.4) was not proposed on
this list, so the vote feels premature. The only related RFC on the
matter involves PHP 6, and it
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf syst...@php.net wrote:
On 07/13/2011 10:30 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I disagree and this exact issue shows that the voting and controlling
is actually working well, very well. As it is covered by the two
recently adopted RFCs.
I'm not sure how you
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:11 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
I would also change my vote, I would go with keeping it deprecated,
but turning it off by default (currently it isn't done, but the
suggested development/production inis have this turned off), and
remove it with the next minor version bump.
Which
On 07/13/2011 11:17 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf syst...@php.net wrote:
On 07/13/2011 10:30 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I disagree and this exact issue shows that the voting and controlling
is actually working well, very well. As it is covered by the two
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:11 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
I would also change my vote, I would go with keeping it deprecated,
but turning it off by default (currently it isn't done, but the
suggested development/production
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 07/13/2011 11:17 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf syst...@php.net wrote:
On 07/13/2011 10:30 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I disagree and this exact issue shows that the voting and
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
tyrael@thor:~/checkouts$ php -n -r 'echo PHP_VERSION.\n;echo
ini_get(magic_quotes_gpc).\n;'
5.3.6-6~dotdeb.1
1
Nobody runs PHP with -n, who would you do that? INIs are the recommended
setting, if you ignore that, you do it at your own peril.
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On 07/13/2011 11:50 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
Are you saying that widely approved thing are pointless or we could
have foreseen the results for each of them? Better to have a vote and
got a massive support than nothing and sit in the middle of nowhere
forever.
I'm saying that many of these in
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 07/13/2011 11:50 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
Are you saying that widely approved thing are pointless or we could
have foreseen the results for each of them? Better to have a vote and
got a massive support than nothing and
ah forgot to mention that indeed not all todos should have be done via
a RFC, that would not help us, not at all. But the primitive one, for
example, must have one.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 07/13/2011 11:50 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
Are you
On 07/13/2011 12:23 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 07/13/2011 11:50 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
Are you saying that widely approved thing are pointless or we could
have foreseen the results for each of them? Better to have a vote
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
tyrael@thor:~/checkouts$ php -n -r 'echo PHP_VERSION.\n;echo
ini_get(magic_quotes_gpc).\n;'
5.3.6-6~dotdeb.1
1
Nobody runs PHP with -n, who would you do that? INIs
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
Right, but these folks that don't follow the discussions are the same 37
people who voted for the Primitives change. How is that helpful?
Many of the votes there are not from developers. We have explained
what happened
Hi!
On 7/13/11 12:28 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I do in many situations while testing and debugging and that's why the
default values exist.
Can't we keep it on topic? Do you need magic quotes when you're
debugging? Do you expect it to have the same value with and without -n?
Does your code
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 11:35 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
tyrael@thor:~/checkouts$ php -n -r 'echo PHP_VERSION.\n;echo
ini_get(magic_quotes_gpc).\n;'
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm new here, and uncertain as to
where to go to get caught up.
What's so wrong with magic quotes that they need to be removed from the
language entirely?
Links of advice would be helpful.
Thanks.
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From: Stas Malyshev
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
On 7/13/11 12:28 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I do in many situations while testing and debugging and that's why the
default values exist.
Can't we keep it on topic? Do you need magic quotes when you're debugging?
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Moshe, Sam sam.mo...@tmng.com wrote:
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm new here, and uncertain as to
where to go to get caught up.
What's so wrong with magic quotes that they need to be removed from the
language entirely?
Links of advice would be
Am 13.07.2011 21:50, schrieb Moshe, Sam:
What's so wrong with magic quotes that they need to be removed from the
language entirely?
they are idiotic because useless for escaping database inputs
and you need to find out this setting to remove them by
stripslashes() if enabled from some dumb
Great responses, all of them.
Thanks everybody for the insight.
Apologies if I veered off topic.
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From: Reindl Harald [mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:56 PM
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] 5.4 features vote
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