Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

Whoops, I accidentally hit reply instead of reply to all on this earlier, thanks Brandon for pointing that out. On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Brandon Savage wrote: > The Code of Conduct, as written, makes no exception for the intent of the > person involved. This is

[PHP-DEV] Re: A Modest Code of Conduct Proposal that Almost Everyone Can Agree On

On 01/23/2016 06:41 AM, Scott Arciszewski wrote: > Let's start with a rhetorical question: When you are adding unit > tests to a legacy code base, where do you start? > > ... > > Typically, you start at the extremes and work your way to the core of > the application, refactoring as you need to

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] Generalize support of negative string offsets

Hi, Starting discussion about https://wiki.php.net/rfc/negative-string-offsets Please read and comment. Regards François -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] compiling php 5.6.# fails with sun CC 12.3 sparc sol 10, no problem 5.5 or 5.3

Hello. It was suggested I email this to this address. I hope someone can help. I had no problems compiling php 5.3.# and 5.5.# on Sparc solaris 10 with Sun CC 12.3, but 5.6.# fails with the error below. GCC works but my whole application and environment is built with Sun CC. This is where it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

Hi, On 23 January 2016 at 22:02, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Brandon Savage [mailto:bran...@brandonsavage.net] >> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:44 PM >> To: PHP internals >> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct

Hi, On 23 January 2016 at 21:30, Matt Prelude wrote: > Hi all, > > This is my first mail to the list so please let me know if I do anything > wrong or if there's a better channel by which to have this kind of > discussion. > > I'd like to propose adoption of an alternative code

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:59 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > Hello, > > On Jan 24, 2016 9:31 AM, "Stanislav Malyshev" wrote: > > > > Hi! > . > > > > > day. To state an obvious question - what precisely is the status quo > > > in comparison to a COC? Ad-hoc

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][VOTE] OpenSSL AEAD support

Just FYI, I'm voting against this proposal, as the number of parameters is simply growing out of control, which involves: - more BC breaks if default parameters change - more security issues if the defaults are unsafe (or become unsafe, for whatever reason) - more cognitive load (it's arguably

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

Hello, On Jan 24, 2016 9:31 AM, "Stanislav Malyshev" wrote: > > Hi! . > > > day. To state an obvious question - what precisely is the status quo > > in comparison to a COC? Ad-hoc bans by whoever has access to the ML? > > Yes, status quo is pretty much that. IIRC we needed

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct

> -Original Message- > From: Matt Prelude [mailto:m...@mprelu.de] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 PM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct > > Hi all, > > This is my first mail to the list so please let me know if I do

RE: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

> -Original Message- > From: Brandon Savage [mailto:bran...@brandonsavage.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:44 PM > To: PHP internals > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of > Conduct > > Open to suggestions/comments

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

Hi, On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Brandon Savage wrote: > I think these are fixable problems. I propose the following: > > * The Code of Conduct should specifically state that a person who is not a > direct party to the alleged incident is not permitted to make a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

On 23/01/2016 17:43, Brandon Savage wrote: * The Code of Conduct should specifically state that a person who is not a direct party to the alleged incident is not permitted to make a complaint. While I'd agree with this in general, there might be circumstances where a "direct party" doesn't feel

RE: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

On Jan 24, 2016 5:02 AM, "Zeev Suraski" wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Brandon Savage [mailto:bran...@brandonsavage.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:44 PM > > To: PHP internals > > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in

[PHP-DEV] [RFC][VOTE] Warn about invalid strings in arithmetic

Good evening, Just over two weeks ago I introduced this RFC. There's not been a lot of discussion since then, and there's no unfinished business that I can think of. So, I think it's time to put it to a vote: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/invalid_strings_in_arithmetic Voting starts today

[PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct

Hi all, This is my first mail to the list so please let me know if I do anything wrong or if there's a better channel by which to have this kind of discussion. I'd like to propose adoption of an alternative code of conduct, the Go Code: https://golang.org/conduct The primary reasons for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

Hi! > perspective. The absolute best we can do is just that - the absolute > best. And it's entirely responsible to ensure that it IS the absolute > best that can be achieved. I think this is an incorrect approach - both in making software and other places. You don't release software when it's

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Codeof Conduct

Hi Zeev, Zeev Suraski wrote: I think that the case you brought up could be very easily solved in a penalty-free CoC: 1. One of the mediation team members contacts Gary (privately) - either proactively or as a response to a complaint, pointing out to him that a PR like this, even as a joke,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct

Hi! > This is a question I'm wondering about as well. It all seems pretty > good, but I wonder if, for example, the lists of unwelcome behaviour and > discrimination characteristics are sufficiently complete. They are not supposed to be complete. Again, we're not writing a penal code. If

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct

Hi Derick, Derick Rethans wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, Florian Anderiasch wrote: On 22.01.2016 15:29, Pierre Joye wrote: Freshly adopted: http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/ https://golang.org/conduct Ruby (the language) is discussing the adoption of a Code of Conduct right now, and several

[PHP-DEV] Re: Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

Hi, Brandon Savage wrote: This morning, Gary Hockin posted a pull request to the Doctrine project, proposing a rename from "Doctrine" to "Shitty". The full pull request is here: https://github.com/doctrine/doctrine2/pull/5626 He then tagged one of the maintainers personally. It was a master

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct

Hi Zeev, Zeev Suraski wrote: One thing which isn't clear to me is whether this: "If you conduct yourself in a way that is explicitly forbidden by the CoC, you will be warned and asked to stop. If you do not stop, you will be removed from our community spaces temporarily. Repeated, wilful

Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct

Hi! > I think we should have used temporary bans a bit more to cool down > things. Including to myself along other. Ban is a very dangerous thing, since it excludes people from discussion thus preventing it from reaching a conclusion, achieving consensus and closure, and it also hurts people and