Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Scalar Pseudo-type

2018-01-02 Thread Tony Marston
wrote in message news:96908b43-e2b3-923a-5452-903f26838...@rhsoft.net... Am 01.01.2018 um 10:21 schrieb Tony Marston: Any attempt to make typehinting (or type enforcement as it has now become) is simply adding complications to the language which do not provide benefits to the greater PHP com

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Scalar Pseudo-type

2018-01-02 Thread Marco Pivetta
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Tony Marston wrote: > "There are some of us out there who are capable of writing bug-free code" >> is a laughable argumentation anyways >> > > Why is that laughable? You appear to want to make the language more > complicated just to catch the bugs that you keep cre

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Scalar Pseudo-type

2018-01-02 Thread Tony Marston
"Lester Caine" wrote in message news:a1bb2452-3969-ca72-cf19-4ca4bcd90...@lsces.co.uk... On 31/12/17 22:45, Michael Morris wrote: Please do not quote large swaths of Tony Marston's crap. He's an unrepentant liar, braggart and trouble maker that most of the list has on ignore since the admins

[PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

2018-01-02 Thread Michael Morris
I would like to propose a clean way to add some strong typing to PHP in a manner that is almost fully backward compatible (there is a behavior change with PHP 7 type declarations). As I don't have access to the add RFC's to the wiki I'll place this here. Before I begin detailing this I want to emp

[PHP-DEV] RE: High resolution timer function

2018-01-02 Thread Anatol Belski
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: Anatol Belski [mailto:weltl...@outlook.de] On Behalf Of Anatol Belski > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:03 PM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Cc: Niklas Keller > Subject: [PHP-DEV] High resolution timer function > > Hi, > > I would like to propose a

[PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Nikita Popov
Hi, This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list. I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been aggressively derailing the "Scalar Pseudo-type" thread, despite requests to moderate th

[PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

2018-01-02 Thread Michael Morris
Apologies for the double post - I missed a tag and I'm not sure the list server will send it along because of that mistake. I would like to propose a clean way to add some strong typing to PHP in a manner that is almost fully backward compatible (there is a behavior change with PHP 7 type declara

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Thomas Punt
Hi! > Hi, > > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list. > > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been > aggressively derailing the "Scalar Pseudo-type" thread, despite reques

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Am 02.01.2018 um 11:49 schrieb Nikita Popov: > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been > aggressively derailing the "Scalar Pseudo-type" thread, despite requests to > moderate their participation both in

[PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Derick Rethans
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018, Nikita Popov wrote: > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing > list. > > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been > aggressively derailing the "Scalar P

Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax

2018-01-02 Thread Michael Morris
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:08 AM, Hidde Boomsma wrote: > Dear Michael, > > Are you aware of this RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/typed-properties > > I was not aware of it. What I propose has a much wider scope, but the fact there was slowdown on the last implementation try is concerning.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Michael Morris
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jan 2018, Nikita Popov wrote: > > > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing > > list. > > > > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users > > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.n

[PHP-DEV] Personal Home Page

2018-01-02 Thread Lester Caine
At what point did 'Personal Home Page' become 'Professional Home Page'? I sat down this morning to look at the sites that are still on the 'TODO' list with a view to just what I can do with them and if the clients could do anything to help. The short answer is NO since the reason I'm nursing many

Re: [PHP-DEV] Personal Home Page

2018-01-02 Thread Rowan Collins
On 2 January 2018 at 12:54, Lester Caine wrote: > At what point did 'Personal Home Page' become 'Professional Home Page'? > PHP hasn't stood for "Personal Home Page" for twenty years. http://php.net/manual/en/history.php.php#history.php3 Do you have an actual proposal to put forward? Regards,

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Scalar Pseudo-type

2018-01-02 Thread Chris Riley
Hi, How useful is "scalar" as a type hint? I'm not sure it provides any benefit over "mixed". Would it not be better to copy Hack and instead introduce two type hints: "num" (or "number") which is int|float and "arraykey" which is string|int? To me, these are much more useful pseudo types than "

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: High resolution timer function

2018-01-02 Thread Peter Cowburn
On 2 January 2018 at 10:43, Anatol Belski wrote: > Hi, > > > -Original Message- > > From: Anatol Belski [mailto:weltl...@outlook.de] On Behalf Of Anatol > Belski > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 3:03 PM > > To: internals@lists.php.net > > Cc: Niklas Keller > > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Hig

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: High resolution timer function

2018-01-02 Thread Anatol Belski
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: Peter Cowburn [mailto:petercowb...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 2:56 PM > To: Anatol Belski > Cc: internals@lists.php.net; Niklas Keller > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: High resolution timer function > > > > On 2 January 2018 at 10:43, Anat

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Scalar Pseudo-type

2018-01-02 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Am 02.01.2018 um 14:37 schrieb Chris Riley: > How useful is "scalar" as a type hint? I'm not sure it provides any benefit > over "mixed". scalar has the benefit of exluding arrays, objects, and resources. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Hi Nikita 2018-01-02 11:49 GMT+01:00 Nikita Popov : > Hi, > > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list. > > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been > aggressively derailing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Levi Morrison
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:49 AM, Nikita Popov wrote: > Hi, > > This mail is going to both the systems group and internals mailing list. > > I would like to request a mailing list suspension for the users > tonymars...@hotmail.com and li...@rhsoft.net, who have recently been > aggressively derailing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

2018-01-02 Thread Dustin Wheeler
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison wrote: > > I doubt we have any official procedures. I agree with the proposed > suspension as long as the suspension for a set amount of time; I > believe in giving people a chance to reform. If they can't reform... > well then I'm fine with an indefi

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: High resolution timer function

2018-01-02 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! > If there are no further comments or objection, I would like to merge this > patch anytime soon and see to add a couple of helper functions for > diff/compare. No objection to the idea but please see my comments on https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/2976. -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@gmai

RE: [PHP-DEV] RE: High resolution timer function

2018-01-02 Thread Anatol Belski
> -Original Message- > From: Stanislav Malyshev [mailto:smalys...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 8:43 PM > To: Anatol Belski ; internals@lists.php.net > Cc: Niklas Keller > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: High resolution timer function > > Hi! > > > If there are no further comm