Re: [PHP-DEV] Constraints and userland@

> > As a part of PHP community I like the idea. I'd propose something that > could make the > proposal simpler in implementation. > Create a poll system where users are authorized to be registered and be > able to vote if > they are github/gitlab users with >1000 commits in projects where PHP is >

[PHP-DEV] PHP 7.3.11RC1 is available for testing

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Reverting "Link executable files using non PIC object files"

Hi Dmitry, On Mon, 7 Oct 2019, Dmitry Stogov wrote: > There were a number of build problems caused by my PR > https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/4678 > > Today I got another report from Remi > https://github.com/php/php-src/comm

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Reverting "Link executable files using non PIC object files"

reverted From: Derick Rethans Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 13:11 To: Dmitry Stogov Cc: Peter Kokot ; Nikita Popov ; 'Remi Collet' ; PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reverting "Link executable files using non PIC object files" CAUTION: This email origin

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate Backtick Operator (V2)

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 4:35 AM Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > it into some kind of proxy war. Yes, "it breaks backwards compatibility > for > > questionable benefit" is an argument against this proposal, it is even a > > *very good* argument against it, but it's also no mandate to shut down

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 12:11 AM Mike Schinkel wrote: > > I'm not sure where's the log jam here? > > The issue is not this specific RFC. > > As I wrote earlier, there appear to be heated and non-stop debates over > (at least) BC, and possibly other areas. People dig in on a position and > then wo

Re: [PHP-DEV] Constraints and userland@

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 3:30 AM Benjamin Morel wrote: > > > > As a part of PHP community I like the idea. I'd propose something that > > could make the > > proposal simpler in implementation. > > Create a poll system where users are authorized to be registered and be > > able to vote if > > they

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 13:03 Chase Peeler wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 12:11 AM Mike Schinkel > wrote: > > > > I'm not sure where's the log jam here? > > > > The issue is not this specific RFC. > > > > As I wrote earlier, there appear to be heated and non-stop debates over > > (at least) BC,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

> > > No. The compromise is funding a ferry system. Or laying Internet between > them. Or a passenger pigeon mail route. > > Sometimes compromise requires deep discussion about the motivations for > each side and coming to a lateral, mutually acceptable, solution. > > But we'd rather not discuss mo

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:30 PM Walter Parker wrote: > > > > > > No. The compromise is funding a ferry system. Or laying Internet between > > them. Or a passenger pigeon mail route. > > > > Sometimes compromise requires deep discussion about the motivations for > > each side and coming to a later

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On 10/10/2019 18:30, Walter Parker wrote: "Ferry" projects might be: more/better training on PHP, better documentation so that the backtick is no longer an "obscure" feature to those that don't have a shell/Unix/Perl background, tooling to warn people when they misuse this feature. Unfortunatel

Re: [PHP-DEV] Constraints and userland@

> > I've spent the last 14 years working on an internal system that is built > with PHP. I've been using PHP in one form or another for the last 20 years. > I've done some minor work on various open source projects, but not very > much. This requirement would mean that I don't get a vote, despite m

RE: [PHP-DEV] Constraints and userland@

> -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Morel [mailto:benjamin.mo...@gmail.com] > > > And we could change the RFC process to either: > > - require a 2/3 majority of votes *in each category* > - *or *require a 2/3 majority in the *average of all three categories* > - *or *give a weight to eac

[PHP-DEV] VCS Account Request: villfa

Hi there, I have contributed to the PHP project by submitting PRs of small fixes and some improvements in the tests. I also open regularly tickets in the bug tracker to improve the documentation. Lately I was suggested by nikic to request a Git account: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/4779

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:36 AM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:30 PM Walter Parker wrote: > >> > >> > >> > No. The compromise is funding a ferry system. Or laying Internet between >> > them. Or a passenger pigeon mail route. >> > >> > Sometimes compromise requires deep disc

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM Mark Randall wrote: > On 10/10/2019 18:30, Walter Parker wrote: > > "Ferry" projects might be: more/better training on PHP, better > > documentation so that the backtick is no longer an "obscure" feature to > > those that don't have a shell/Unix/Perl background, t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On 10/10/2019 20:59, Walter Parker wrote: They will either be stuck on an old version of PHP or have to pay to update the code. If you're getting stuck on a island after being given 4 or 5 years warning that the bridge to it will be closed, after being pointed to the ferry, given free ticket

[PHP-DEV] Re: VCS Account Request: villfa

On 10.10.2019 at 20:43, Fabien Villepinte wrote: > I have contributed to the PHP project by submitting PRs of small fixes and > some improvements in the tests. I also open regularly tickets in the bug > tracker to improve the documentation. > > Lately I was suggested by nikic to request a Git a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:27 PM Mark Randall wrote: > On 10/10/2019 20:59, Walter Parker wrote: > > They will either be stuck on an old version of PHP or have to pay to > update the code. > > If you're getting stuck on a island after being given 4 or 5 years > warning that the bridge to it will

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On 10/10/2019 23:04, Walter Parker wrote: If this truly is the problem that you say it is, there should be plenty of documentation online as to the issues that it has cause. Maybe you could post some of the better cases (as the the responsibility of the person suggesting the change to provide evi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 3:27 PM Mark Randall wrote: > On 10/10/2019 23:04, Walter Parker wrote: > > If this truly is the problem that you say it is, there should be plenty > of > > documentation online as to the issues that it has cause. Maybe you could > > post some of the better cases (as the t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 02:59, Walter Parker wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:36 AM Chase Peeler wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:30 PM Walter Parker wrote: >> No. The compromise is funding a ferry system. Or laying Internet between them. Or a passenger

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

G On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM Stephen Reay wrote: > > > > On 11 Oct 2019, at 02:59, Walter Parker wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:36 AM Chase Peeler > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:30 PM Walter Parker > wrote: > >> > > > No. The compromise i

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:11 PM Stephen Reay wrote: > > > > On 11 Oct 2019, at 12:40, Walter Parker wrote: > > > > G > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM Stephen Reay > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> On 11 Oct 2019, at 02:59, Walter Parker wrote: > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:36 AM

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals "camps"

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 13:42, Walter Parker wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:11 PM Stephen Reay wrote: > > > > On 11 Oct 2019, at 12:40, Walter Parker wrote: > > > > G > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM Stephen Reay > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> On 11 Oct 2019, at 02: