> On Jan 3, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> However, if we're looking at radical changes of direction, I wonder if we
> should instead plan to phase out autoloading itself.
Yes. Please.
Autoloading is a medicine that is almost worse than the disease.
-Mike
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> On Jan 3, 2020, at 6:22 AM, Rasmus Schultz wrote:
>
> I will just briefly mention an alternative idea I've brought up before.
> (there's no RFC for this.)
>
>use function MyClass::myStaticFunction;
>
>myStaticFunction();
This strikes me as an excellent approach.
Well-spent five cent
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
> > It seems to me it would be much cleaner to just... build that into a
> > static method call with the derivation-and-caching logic behind the scenes.
> > It's not complicated code.
>
> That is ex
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 8:55 PM Mike Schinkel wrote:
> ...
>
> OTOH, if PHP 8.x would allow functions w/o parameters to be called w/o
> parenthesis then your approach satisfy the use-case:
>
> class Stuff {
> protected $val;
>
> public static function VAL() {
> self::$val ??= comp
Hi Larry,
Thanks for replying.
> It seems to me it would be much cleaner to just... build that into a static
> method call with the derivation-and-caching logic behind the scenes. It's
> not complicated code.
That is exactly what I have been doing, and what I am finding suboptimal.
The prob
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 2020, at 7:09 PM, tyson andre wrote:
> >
> >> The problem with using constants is that the value is still hardcoded
> >> and if we later want to change to pulling the data from a config file
> >> we have to change all the code t
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 15:21, tyson andre wrote:
> > Now the behaviour of my program can completely change depending on which
> of
> > those functions I call first, which might even depend on user input.
> > Regardless of exactly how the cache works, that kind of unpredictability
> is
> > a recipe
> If the call to foo() is simply treated equivalently to a call to A::foo(),
> then this may have some quite surprising behavior:
>
> If A::foo() is an instance method, then this call to foo() will inherit
> $this,
> which is something that normally does not happen with free-standing function
>
> Now the behaviour of my program can completely change depending on which of
> those functions I call first, which might even depend on user input.
> Regardless of exactly how the cache works, that kind of unpredictability is
> a recipe for disaster.
It already does completely change depending on
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 14:39, tyson andre wrote:
> > namespace Foo;
> > echo strlen('hello'); // Finds a global function at step 2, so doesn't
> > trigger the autoloader
> > echo \Foo\strlen('hello'); // Explicitly namespaced function, so triggers
> > the autoloader
> > echo strlen('hello'); // Sh
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 11:37, Nikita Popov wrote:
> Overall though, I do tend to agree that the use of static methods is at
> this point more idiomatic than the use of free-standing functions, and it
> might make more sense to go in that direction.
>
Perhaps a way forward would be to effectively
> If we cache the resolution to global function at line 2, removing that line
> changes the rest of the program. If we don't cache it there, then what
> happens if we run this code in a loop?
It (and my proposed autoloader change)
changes it for that call (at that opcode, i.e. for the call at that
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 01:51, tyson andre wrote:
> 1. It (first) looks for a function from the current namespace: A\B\foo().
> 2. It (next) tries to find and call the global function foo().
> 3. (Optional) NEW ADDITION: Next, if both functions were undefined,
>the autoloader(s) attempt to auto
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:22 PM Rasmus Schultz wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Nikita Popov wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:51 AM tyson andre
>> wrote:
>>
>> > After a quick search, it turns out I've mostly reinvented
>> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/autofunc which I hadn't remembere
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Nikita Popov wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:51 AM tyson andre
> wrote:
>
> > After a quick search, it turns out I've mostly reinvented
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/autofunc which I hadn't remembered.
> > The `spl_autoload_*()` changes it mentions is what I had
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:51 AM tyson andre
wrote:
> After a quick search, it turns out I've mostly reinvented
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/autofunc which I hadn't remembered.
> The `spl_autoload_*()` changes it mentions is what I had in mind
>
> There's been changes to php since then, it's been 7 y
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