[PHP-DEV] [RFC][VOTE] pecl_http

Hi, as already threatened, I hereby open the vote on the pecl_http RFC. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/pecl_http#vote -- Regards, Mike -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi all, On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Jan 31, 2015 9:08 PM, "Pavel Kouřil" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Pierre Joye > wrote: > > > > > > There is zero reason to discuss what has been approved and followed for > > > years already. > > > > > > I wil

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Jan 31, 2015 9:08 PM, "Pavel Kouřil" wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > > > > There is zero reason to discuss what has been approved and followed for > > years already. > > > > I will simply post the link to our CS as a reminder and ask everyone to > > read it if

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > > There is zero reason to discuss what has been approved and followed for > years already. > > I will simply post the link to our CS as a reminder and ask everyone to > read it if they never did: > > https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/C

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Jan 31, 2015 5:57 PM, "Tony Marston" wrote: > > "Yasuo Ohgaki" wrote in message news:caga2bxzgljrp6i2vdnkdga8dw7nothc9ie17tst40kpbbha...@mail.gmail.com... >> >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Tony Marston >> wrote: >> >>> ""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message >>> news:cab6yzu

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Jan 30, 2015 6:09 PM, "Tony Marston" wrote: > > ""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message > news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... > >> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> > > > > > >> Hello, >> >> just one observation - would

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

"Larry Garfield" wrote in message news:54cbb0cd.9010...@garfieldtech.com... On 1/30/15 4:08 AM, Tony Marston wrote: ""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: just one

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

"Yasuo Ohgaki" wrote in message news:caga2bxzgljrp6i2vdnkdga8dw7nothc9ie17tst40kpbbha...@mail.gmail.com... Hi Tony, On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Tony Marston wrote: ""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, J

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

"Stanislav Malyshev" wrote in message news:54cbd947.7050...@gmail.com... Hi! Just because that most of the code YOU have seen uses CamelCase does not mean that CamelCase is the "standard". I programmed in other languages for over 20 years before I switched to PHP, and in those languages the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 30/01/15 20:19, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Just because that most of the code YOU have seen uses CamelCase does not >> mean that CamelCase is the "standard". I programmed in other languages for >> over 20 years before I switched to PHP, and in those languages the standard >> was snake

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi! > Just because that most of the code YOU have seen uses CamelCase does not > mean that CamelCase is the "standard". I programmed in other languages for > over 20 years before I switched to PHP, and in those languages the standard > was snake_case. That is the standard I still use, and I will o

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 1/30/15 4:08 AM, Tony Marston wrote: ""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: Hi, > Hello, just one observation - would be the name of the classes and namespac

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Tony, On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Tony Marston wrote: > ""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message > news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... > >> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> > > > > Hello, >> >> just one obser

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: > Hi, > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on > Friday, February 6th.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: Hi, > Hello, just one observation - would be the name of the classes and namespaces stay the same after merging? I persona

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: Hi, > Hello, just one observation - would be the name of the classes and namespaces stay the same after merging? I persona

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

""Pavel Kouril"" wrote in message news:cab6yzuzymbaa5i3f9nsvebg2b7yjvo4ryvpy-eac78rsojx...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: Hi, > Hello, just one observation - would be the name of the classes and namespaces stay the same after merging? I persona

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

2015-01-29 14:07 GMT+01:00 Pavel Kouřil : > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > > pecl_http to the core. The vote will be

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: > Hi, > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on > Friday, February 6th. >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Matteo Beccati wrote: > Hi Andrey, > > On 29/01/2015 10:41, Andrey Andreev wrote: >> >> It's not about whether we like the FIG's direction or what "PSR" >> stands for (which doesn't make sense btw) - that is indeed OT. >> >> My message was different: the PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Andrey, On 29/01/2015 10:41, Andrey Andreev wrote: It's not about whether we like the FIG's direction or what "PSR" stands for (which doesn't make sense btw) - that is indeed OT. My message was different: the PHP RFC process can't get blocked because of a third-party group, especially if you

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Matteo Beccati wrote: > Hi Andrey, > > On 28/01/2015 23:50, Andrey Andreev wrote: >> >> You're voting "no" because the FIG can't agree yet? >> They've been discussing this for *at least* an year and iirc the first >> PSR-7 coordinator gave up on it because he

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Andrey, On 28/01/2015 23:50, Andrey Andreev wrote: You're voting "no" because the FIG can't agree yet? They've been discussing this for *at least* an year and iirc the first PSR-7 coordinator gave up on it because he no longer believed in the end result. What does that tell us? That some ac

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28 January 2015 at 22:50, Andrey Andreev wrote: > You're voting "no" because the FIG can't agree yet? > They've been discussing this for *at least* an year and iirc the first > PSR-7 coordinator gave up on it because he no longer believed in the > end result. What does that tell us? That some

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi, On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Matteo Beccati wrote: > On 28/01/2015 20:19, Michael Wallner wrote: >> >> On 28/01/15 20:07, Matteo Beccati wrote: >>> >>> As Nikita mentions, PSR-7 is under way and currently gaining some >>> traction. At the moment the PSR-7 interfaces are designed to be >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 1/28/15 2:46 PM, Matteo Beccati wrote: On 28/01/2015 20:19, Michael Wallner wrote: On 28/01/15 20:07, Matteo Beccati wrote: As Nikita mentions, PSR-7 is under way and currently gaining some traction. At the moment the PSR-7 interfaces are designed to be immutable, although I that's still ope

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/2015 22:03, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: You could, in theory, have extension defining those interfaces and autoload userland definitions only if the extension is not present. That's basically what I meant. Thanks for clarifying. Cheers -- Matteo Beccati Development & Consulting - http

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi! > Related to this: is it even possible for an internal class to rely on > and formally, explicitly “implement” a userland interface? It’s all It's probably not a very good idea - internal classes are supposed to be alive at the start of the request, but the userland interfaces can't be there

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi! > I explained that in another mail and will put it (amongst a lot of other > things that came up during this thread) into the RFC: This is not enough. Saying "ZE APIs suck, so I implemented a bunch of my own and want to merge it in core because I like them" is not enough to make an informed d

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hey everyone, > On 28 Jan 2015, at 20:46, Matteo Beccati wrote: > > Since PSR-7 is being discussed now *and* pecl_http can't implement an > interface that still is being discussed, I would rather vote "no" now and > maybe change my mind in future if PSR-7 becomes a thing and pecl_http > follo

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 21:32, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Some feedback: I feel the RFC is not clear about the advantages and >> disadvantages of including this package. Mostly, the RFC is "hey I have >> this package can we include it in core?" I feel like it's fairly incomplete > > Agreed. There n

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi! > As stated in one of the discussion threads, those dependencies could be > merged to main/ and/or ext/standard. In the current patch the persistent This should be prominently part of the RFC, not buried in the threads. Merging two extensions into ext/standard is not some tiny detail that nob

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/2015 20:19, Michael Wallner wrote: On 28/01/15 20:07, Matteo Beccati wrote: As Nikita mentions, PSR-7 is under way and currently gaining some traction. At the moment the PSR-7 interfaces are designed to be immutable, although I that's still open for debate. If the RFC passes, we'd be ta

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Stas, > On 28 Jan 2015, at 20:30, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > > Hi! > >> Personally, I’ve never liked that PHP requires cURL for doing HTTP >> requests. It’s a language made for the web, it should have built-in > > I see no problem in depending on cURL. NIH'ing every part of the > software

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi! > Some feedback: I feel the RFC is not clear about the advantages and > disadvantages of including this package. Mostly, the RFC is "hey I have > this package can we include it in core?" I feel like it's fairly incomplete Agreed. There needs to be some work done on explaining why we need to i

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi! > Personally, I’ve never liked that PHP requires cURL for doing HTTP > requests. It’s a language made for the web, it should have built-in I see no problem in depending on cURL. NIH'ing every part of the software universe in unfeasible, and if somebody does this one job and does it well - why

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Michael, > On 28 Jan 2015, at 19:48, Michael Wallner wrote: > > On 28/01/15 20:18, Andrea Faulds wrote: >> >> If the client is merely a wrapper around cURL, what benefit does it >> offer over ext/curl except a better API? >> >> Personally, I’ve never liked that PHP requires cURL for doing H

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 21:03, Levi Morrison wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Michael Wallner > wrote: > > On 28/01/15 18:58, Levi Morrison wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Levi Morrison > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Michael Wallner wrote: > On 28/01/15 18:58, Levi Morrison wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Levi Morrison > > wrote: > > > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed > on > > August 19th, s

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

I'll forward this to internals, Chris. On 28/01/15 18:43, christopher jones wrote:> > > On 1/28/15 9:28 AM, Michael Wallner wrote: >> On 28/01/15 18:22, christopher jones wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 1/28/15 9:17 AM, Michael Wallner wrote: On 28/01/15 18:01, christopher jones wrote: > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 19:19, Michael Wallner wrote: >> Also, we're planning to move extensions from core to pecl, for example >> > ext/mysql which I is still widely used by many applications, despite its >> > known shortcomings. TBH, I don't see many reasons why a pecl extension >> > should be moved to core.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 20:18, Andrea Faulds wrote: > Hi Michael, > >> On 28 Jan 2015, at 19:13, Michael Wallner wrote: >> >> - Client >> >> The http stream wrapper is a hack and the existing libcurl binding >> is subpar. They could be improved separately, but that is not >> subject of this RFC. >> >> Cur

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 20:07, Matteo Beccati wrote: > On 28/01/2015 13:17, Michael Wallner wrote: >> Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on >> August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add >> pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Michael, > On 28 Jan 2015, at 19:13, Michael Wallner wrote: > > - Client > > The http stream wrapper is a hack and the existing libcurl binding is > subpar. They could be improved separately, but that is not subject of > this RFC. > > Currently only libcurl is implemented as a provider for

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 19:03, Andrea Faulds wrote: > Hi Levi, > >> On 28 Jan 2015, at 17:58, Levi Morrison wrote: >> >> Oh, one more item: has anyone had time to review the pieces and how >> they all interact, as well as reviewing the quality of each >> component? I should hardly think in the time given th

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/2015 13:17, Michael Wallner wrote: Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on Friday, February 6th. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/pe

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 19:08, Nikita Popov wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner > wrote: > > Hi, > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > pecl_http t

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On 28/01/15 18:58, Levi Morrison wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Levi Morrison > wrote: > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > pecl_http t

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: > Hi, > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on > Friday, February 6th.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Levi, > On 28 Jan 2015, at 17:58, Levi Morrison wrote: > > Oh, one more item: has anyone had time to review the pieces and how they > all interact, as well as reviewing the quality of each component? I should > hardly think in the time given this has been done. I'm not saying this > extension

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi Levi, > On 28 Jan 2015, at 17:53, Levi Morrison wrote: > >> >> Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on >> August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add >> pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on >> Friday, February

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Levi Morrison wrote: > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on >> August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add >> pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on >> Friday, February 6th. >> >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

> > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on > Friday, February 6th. > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/pecl_http#vote I wish you had pin

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http

Hi, Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 UTC on Friday, February 6th. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/pecl_http#vote -- Regards, Mike -- PHP