Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-18 Thread Chase Peeler
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:43 AM Claude Pache wrote: > > > > Le 16 sept. 2019 à 21:32, Nikita Popov a écrit : > > > > * Discussion threads on this mailing list have been very unpleasant > > recently. I am unwilling to actively participate in them in this form. > This > > is bad for everyone, but

Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-18 Thread Claude Pache
> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 21:32, Nikita Popov a écrit : > > * Discussion threads on this mailing list have been very unpleasant > recently. I am unwilling to actively participate in them in this form. This > is bad for everyone, but particularly for opponents of proposals. It means > that we cannot

Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-17 Thread Craig Duncan
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, 09:43 Christian Schneider, wrote: > Just because there are now policy and process RFCs does not mean we could > take a step back and limit RFCs again. > I don't recall seeing anybody suggesting we can't do this. However the established process to limit RFCs would be to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-17 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 16.09.2019 um 21:32 schrieb Nikita Popov : > Thanks for chiming in Rasmus. A few brief thoughts on recent discussions: > > * The RFC process encompasses language changes (breaking or non-breaking), > as well as policy and process decisions. We have a very wide selection of > precedent cases

Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-16 Thread Nikita Popov
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 4:11 PM Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Lots of drama on internals lately. Not that different from 15-20 years ago. > A couple of things to keep in mind for everyone. > > It is not that hard to write a tool that perfectly fits your own needs and > people who are very similar to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-13 Thread Olumide Samson
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 3:10 PM Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Lots of drama on internals lately. Not that different from 15-20 years ago. > A couple of things to keep in mind for everyone. > > It is not that hard to write a tool that perfectly fits your own needs and > people who are very similar to you

Re: [PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-13 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 13.09.2019 um 16:10 schrieb Rasmus Lerdorf : > The people writing the code get to call the shots, for better or worse. There's some caveats with this: 1) What does "write the code" mean? What is the threshold when I can take over a project? 2) With a bigger user-base there is also bigger

[PHP-DEV] Evolving PHP

2019-09-13 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Lots of drama on internals lately. Not that different from 15-20 years ago. A couple of things to keep in mind for everyone. It is not that hard to write a tool that perfectly fits your own needs and people who are very similar to you in terms of skillset, background and overall experience. What