[PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-03 Thread Marcus Börger
At 14:13 02.06.2003, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: stasMon Jun 2 08:13:11 2003 EDT Modified files: /ZendEngine2[...] Log: MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P. Hi all, removing namespaces because of a few remaining problems was a very bad idea. And after reading the last th

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-03 Thread Andi Gutmans
I strongly disagree. Please re-read the original thread to see our arguments against yours. Some of them are: - Problem with import. - Problem with variables. - Enterprise applications including UML tools have been written without namespaces (I have taken part in quite a few such projects includi

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-03 Thread Marcus Börger
At 20:29 02.06.2003, Andi Gutmans wrote: I strongly disagree. Please re-read the original thread to see our arguments against yours. There were no arguments just some sentences (from Zeev iirc) stating that it can't work and that i am expecting something else. Since i don't see problems with my id

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-03 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 01:00 AM 6/3/2003 +0200, Marcus Börger wrote: At 20:29 02.06.2003, Andi Gutmans wrote: I strongly disagree. Please re-read the original thread to see our arguments against yours. There were no arguments just some sentences (from Zeev iirc) stating that it can't work and that i am expecting some

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-03 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 02:00 03/06/2003, Marcus Börger wrote: Perhaps :-) I wanted to stress out what we lack and make clear that all problems could be solved. Technically, maybe. I don't even want to argue. What cannot be solved is the fact that the obscurity added by namespaces and related features is way too h

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-03 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Tue, 03 Jun 2003, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Technically, maybe. I don't even want to argue. What cannot be solved is > the fact that the obscurity added by namespaces and related features is way > too high a price for the questionable gain they give. I'm sorry we weren't > bright enough to pre

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-04 Thread Zeev Suraski
The powers have decided that I have to argue? You're invited to argue as much as you please if you feel like spending your time on this. It appears that on the arguing front the C++/Java zealots are always on the winning side because they appear to have endless patience and they're represented

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-04 Thread Preston L. Bannister
I'm a little confused - which kind of zealots are we talking about? The folks who want to do everything in one language, or not? :) As far as namespaces are concerned - a nice idea, but not something I'd personally miss. Sounded like not everyone was comfortable with the implementation of na

Re: [PHP-DEV] MEGA-patch: namespaces are R.I.P.

2003-06-04 Thread Per Lundberg
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 19:01, Zeev Suraski wrote: > It appears that on the arguing front the C++/Java > zealots are always on the winning side because they appear to have endless > patience and they're represented in an entirely non proportional way in > this forum. Non-proportional to what? --