Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-05 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 23:01, Keisial wrote: > While dealing with the streams interfaces, what about making the api > saner, too? > All those bucket and brigade functions make streams unnecessarily complex > to deal with. > http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.stream.php I made an honest attempt docum

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-05 Thread Keisial
Elizabeth M Smith wrote: > yes Hannes - interfaces for userland implemented streams would help > people trying to figure out if they have all the methods they need for a > particular stream type (SeekableStream et al) - this would be backward > compat (you wouldn't HAVE to implement the interfaces

RE: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-04 Thread Andi Gutmans
> -Original Message- > From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:50 PM > To: Andi Gutmans > Cc: Elizabeth M Smith; internals@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago > > > Btw, this is also

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-04 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: To me its absolutely critical that we do not give the impression that the next bigger update after 5.3 will be 5.4. The next big thing is 6.0. If we do a 5.4 then it will come after 6.0, just like 4.4 to ease migration. But it makes no sense to release 5.4 with forward

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-04 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Greg Beaver wrote: I think some people were "volunteered" based on prior contributions? The first I heard of my role in phar for PHP 6 was reading it on the wiki. Not that I have a problem with that, but I wonder if there are other people who don't know their names are on the list? Yes, we bas

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-04 Thread Karsten Dambekalns
Hi Lukas. On 04.06.2009 8:40 Uhr, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: To me its absolutely critical that we do not give the impression that the next bigger update after 5.3 will be 5.4. The next big thing is 6.0. Thumbs up, and good luck with this ambitious plan! ;) We'd be happy to switch to PHP 6...

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
2009/6/4 Lukas Kahwe Smith : > > On 03.06.2009, at 22:52, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > >> I don't want people here to assume that these notes are "decisions" >> necessarily. They reflect the consensus of the group that was at the meeting >> and we should still take up the unresolved or arguable issues

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Pierre Joye
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Elizabeth M Smith [mailto:auroraeosr...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:43 PM >> To: internals@lists.php.net >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chic

RE: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Andi Gutmans
> -Original Message- > From: Elizabeth M Smith [mailto:auroraeosr...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:43 PM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago > yes Hannes - interfaces for userland implemented streams w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 03.06.2009, at 22:52, Andrei Zmievski wrote: I don't want people here to assume that these notes are "decisions" necessarily. They reflect the consensus of the group that was at the meeting and we should still take up the unresolved or arguable issues on this list. But hopefully we have

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > Taking advantage of php|tek bringing a lot of people together, we had a PHP > developers meeting over 2 days before the conference. Day 1 was dedicated to > technical issues in PHP 5 and 6, and day 2 was spent discussing potential > feature

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Greg Beaver
Andrei Zmievski wrote: > Hannes Magnusson wrote: >> I assume the names in parentheses are people who volunteered to do the >> task, not whoever brought it up? (very ambitious crowd) :) > > Volunteered to do it or at least guide others. I think some people were "volunteered" based on prior contrib

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Elizabeth M Smith wrote: yes Hannes - interfaces for userland implemented streams would help people trying to figure out if they have all the methods they need for a particular stream type (SeekableStream et al) - this would be backward compat (you wouldn't HAVE to implement the interfaces IIRC,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Elizabeth M Smith
Andrei Zmievski wrote: > Hannes Magnusson wrote: >> I assume the names in parentheses are people who volunteered to do the >> task, not whoever brought it up? (very ambitious crowd) :) > > Volunteered to do it or at least guide others. > >> Regarding the stream interface, what does "FIIK" mean? >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Hannes Magnusson wrote: I assume the names in parentheses are people who volunteered to do the task, not whoever brought it up? (very ambitious crowd) :) Volunteered to do it or at least guide others. Regarding the stream interface, what does "FIIK" mean? I would really love such an interface

Re: [PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 22:52, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > Taking advantage of php|tek bringing a lot of people together, we had a PHP > developers meeting over 2 days before the conference. Day 1 was dedicated to > technical issues in PHP 5 and 6, and day 2 was spent discussing potential > features,

[PHP-DEV] Notes from the PDM in Chicago

2009-06-03 Thread Andrei Zmievski
Taking advantage of php|tek bringing a lot of people together, we had a PHP developers meeting over 2 days before the conference. Day 1 was dedicated to technical issues in PHP 5 and 6, and day 2 was spent discussing potential features, migration issues, current roadblocks, etc. People who wer