All, > If we want to deal with the reasons why people avoid internals, the let's go > and analyze the problem first ? I will start asking whether we really want > to attract newcomers. The question may sound ridiculous but I think we > don't, mostly because most people here see newcomers as just a source of > annoyment and silly questions/RFCs. Additional evidence shows that we never > did much effort to help integrate newcomers. > > So, the tone on the list is, IMO, just a small part of the problem. As long > as there's no consensus on whether we want to attract newcomers and the > effort we're ready to do to integrate them, discussing about the details of > a CoC seems a bit prematurate to me.
I am no longer going to participate in this email thread, as it's ceased to be productive to any degree. Keep in mind, the purpose of the thread is to work on the draft proposal to guide it to a final state which would be proposed officially (which it hasn't yet been). When the time comes that the proposal is officially presented for discussion, arguments for and against it can be made. But at this point, arguments are being presented for a moving target and as such are more of a distraction than constructive. I will continue to work on this RFC. If you would like to have a constructive discussion, please come find me. But I am not going to tolerate this distraction that has absolutely nothing to do with the proposal anymore. Yak-Shaving and Sea-Lioning have taken over the discussion thread and led to absolutely nothing constructive in the past 100+ replies. If you would like to be constructive and help guide the proposal to something that will work, feel free to reach out to me personally and I will honor any constructive request. Some of us are meeting with some of the people behind Drupal's CoC to collaborate on it. I expect that discussion will drive the proposal significantly. I expect that my next post on this subject will be presenting a final proposal that I intend to open for voting after the required discussion period. Anthony -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
