Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread Erik Nordmark
> Okay with me, too. I just tried to make the document clear in the 03 > draft, but in fact I don't see practical usage of receiving the > optional information on TCP sockets. If we can reach a consensus of > leaving it unspecified (by removing the text), it's just fine. At one level I don't h

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:06:11 +0900 (JST), > Atsushi Onoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> If not then both mechanisms should >> be excised from the document. > Actually, it is acceptable for me. Okay with me, too. I just tried to make the document clear in the 03 draft, but in fact I do

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread Atsushi Onoe
> If not then both mechanisms should > be excised from the document. Actually, it is acceptable for me. > We have wasted enough time on a facility of > dubious value. Agreed. Atsushi Onoe IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread Tim Hartrick
> > > Simplest is in the eye of the beholder. We have implemented the -02 > > behavior and the -03 behavior in the past. I would not agree that the -03 > > behavior is simpler is any respect. > > So we all have implemented the -03 behavior. Why changes are needed? > The -03 behavior, which

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread Atsushi Onoe
> Simplest is in the eye of the beholder. We have implemented the -02 > behavior and the -03 behavior in the past. I would not agree that the -03 > behavior is simpler is any respect. So we all have implemented the -03 behavior. Why changes are needed? The -03 behavior, which is almost same as

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread itojun
>> the major problem I'm seeing for -02 definition is that there's no >> relationship defined (impossible) between the normal TCP data stream >> and ancillary data segments. I personally in favor of -03 definition. >So? I didn't realize that having such a relationship had become a

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread Tim Hartrick
Itojun, > > >> So I prefer simplest definition to implement such feature if it is > >> included in the specification. That's why I think current specification > >> (-03 draft) is better. > >Simplest is in the eye of the beholder. We have implemented the -02 > >behavior and the -03 behavio

Clarify NA processing

2001-12-17 Thread Markku Savela
I've had some problems getting the ND right, especially the IS ROUTER bit handling in some cases. The RFC has some long winded convoluted english statements with and's and or's, that I have hard time parsing. The state table in the appendix is also somewhat hard to read, and does not cover all co

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread itojun
>> So I prefer simplest definition to implement such feature if it is >> included in the specification. That's why I think current specification >> (-03 draft) is better. >Simplest is in the eye of the beholder. We have implemented the -02 >behavior and the -03 behavior in the past. I would not

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread Tim Hartrick
Vlad, > > Since you are soliciting comments from implementors, here are my > opionions about the change ( I was going to wait until I got to work). > > I beleave the the 2292bis-02 definition and TCP implications were > fine. I was curious about the reasons this was put in the draft. > I a

Re: TCP implication of 2292bis

2001-12-17 Thread Tim Hartrick
> > > As I said in the today's meeting, please speak up about your opinions, > > if you're interested in implementing the API. I'd like to collect the > > opinions, and will soon revise the draft based on consensus. > > I think the current (-03, and RFC 2292) definition is fine. For 2292 >

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Basic Socket Interface Extensions for IPv6"

2001-12-17 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Bob Hinden wrote: > This is a IPv6 working group last call for comments on advancing the > following document as an Informational RFC: > > Title : Basic Socket Interface Extensions for IPv6 > Author(s) : R. Gilligan, S. Thomson, J. Bound, W. Steven

IANA guidelins on assigning IPv6 multicast addresses

2001-12-17 Thread Thomas Narten
At the plenary last week, Christian asked about getting IANA to assign an IPv6 multicast address. Poking around a bit, I can't find the process under which IANA assigns IPv6 multicast addresses documented. RFC 2780 says: > 5.4.3 IPv6 Multicast Addresses > >IPv6 multicast addresses are defin

RE: draft-rajahalme-ipv6-flow-label-00.txt

2001-12-17 Thread Craig Dunk
Tangent: Does "readable when encrypted" extend to "modifiable when authenticated" or are some policies required about what "recommended" uses are for the field? This may be covered nicely by the phrase in a previous message that "...the IPv6 flow label is *not* a routing label.". Craig. -

Re: draft-rajahalme-ipv6-flow-label-00.txt

2001-12-17 Thread James Kempf
Mike, You forgot a third: 3) Readable when the packet is encrypted Thus, QoS can be accomplished even if the rest of the packet is encrypted. jak - Original Message - From: "Michael Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Margaret Wasserman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Brian E Carpe

Re: draft-rajahalme-ipv6-flow-label-00.txt

2001-12-17 Thread Michael Thomas
Margaret Wasserman writes: > If I seem to be missing an important point or concept, please send > some hints or pointers. Margaret, I don't think you're alone wondering what all the fuss is about with the flow label since it's fairly obvious that normal Intserv classifiers function equivalentl

Re: draft-rajahalme-ipv6-flow-label-00.txt

2001-12-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > Thanks for the response, Brian. > > > > Are there reasons for preferring to put a flow label inside the > > > IPv6 header? Is this being done on the advice of folks who are > > > standardizing label switching technologies? > > > > >No, because it has nothing to do

Announce: Mobile Networks monet mailing list

2001-12-17 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
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Re: draft-rajahalme-ipv6-flow-label-00.txt

2001-12-17 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Thanks for the response, Brian. > > Are there reasons for preferring to put a flow label inside the > > IPv6 header? Is this being done on the advice of folks who are > > standardizing label switching technologies? > > >No, because it has nothing to do with label switching. It's much >more to

ICMPv6 extend possibility

2001-12-17 Thread ipv6
Hi, folks, I am newbie to this list. I apologize if my question causes problem to this list. First of all, I understand that IETF has it's own way and pace, so, my idea is just an idea (mean nothing): I recently come up with an idea about extending ICMPv6. I wonder if it is possible to add some

Re: draft-rajahalme-ipv6-flow-label-00.txt

2001-12-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > I have a few comments/questions on the general flow label topic. > They are not specific to draft-rajahalame-ipv6-flow-label-00.txt, > but they do apply to this proposal, as well as others. > > I've hesitated to raise this issue for fear of being publicly > stoned,