Re: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-03.txt

2003-03-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bound, Jim wrote: much deleted... ... My issue is about stateless and stateful being required features within IPv6 for auto configuration. Both are needed and both are required. I hope we all agree on this, using lower case. I think we have a genuine problem here in they way RFC 2119 defines

RE: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-03.txt

2003-03-11 Thread Bound, Jim
I like Brian's suggestion folks. /jim -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:29 AM To: Bound, Jim Cc: Pekka Savola; IPV6 WG Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-03.txt Bound, Jim wrote: much

RE: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-03.txt

2003-03-11 Thread john . loughney
Hi Jim, I agree, I think it is a good compromise. I like Brian's suggestion folks. /jim Bound, Jim wrote: much deleted... ... My issue is about stateless and stateful being required features within IPv6 for auto configuration. Both are needed and both are required. I

Re: dual stack IPv6 on by default

2003-03-11 Thread Ignatios Souvatzis
Hi, On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 03:13:16PM -0800, Alain Durand wrote: Alternate scenario: We ship our system so they configure IPv6 ON by default on all interface. User install this machine on his v4-only network and now experiment larger than usual delays to connect to his favorite servers.

Re: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-03.txt

2003-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
DNS discovery remains probably the sticking issue for need for DHCPv6 in otherwise atatelessly autoconfiguring networks. I agree that the mechanism should be discussed and determined in the DNS WG (dnsext I presume). However, can anyone confirm if there is a slot in dnsext in San Francisco for

Re: why DNS discovery [Re: Revised IPv6 charter and DNS discovery]

2003-03-11 Thread Pekka Savola
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tim Chown wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 06:45:15PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: No comments from the w.g. except by me and the author. RA-piggybacking has a few different nuances, and I'm not sure if I think the one proposed is necessarily the best one, but it's the

Re: why DNS discovery [Re: Revised IPv6 charter and DNS discovery]

2003-03-11 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka Savola wrote: On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tim Chown wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 06:45:15PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: No comments from the w.g. except by me and the author. RA-piggybacking has a few different nuances, and I'm not sure if I think the one proposed is necessarily the best one,

Re: why DNS discovery [Re: Revised IPv6 charter and DNS discovery]

2003-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 04:39:22PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: But then again, the above case hasn't been mentioned in any analysis I recall (just made it up), so it's difficult to say. I certainly don't feel there are a lot of issues with security in RA-based DNS discovery. OK, so do you

RE: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-03.txt

2003-03-11 Thread Bound, Jim
It would save me from doing a legal like brief (precedents in the IETF for my case here) and major work to the IESG too :--) But it really can work this way and appease all. Except those who would like to see Stateful dead completely and I would argue they should not win this debate because

Re: dual stack IPv6 on by default

2003-03-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pekka Savola wr ites: On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Alain Durand wrote: For edification. I have a node on a work LAN that knows nothing of IPv6. I download software and configure my node to be capable of IPv6. I manually configure my interface to support IPv6. I now ftp

Re: dual stack IPv6 on by default

2003-03-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 06:04:02PM -0500, Bound, Jim wrote: For edification. I have a node on a work LAN that knows nothing of IPv6. I download software and configure my node to be capable of IPv6. I manually configure my interface to support IPv6. I now ftp to an IPv6 address. This is

Re: dual stack IPv6 on by default

2003-03-11 Thread itojun
There have been reports of problems with some Web browsers trying to use only the v6 address. this is due to the way mozilla is written. mozilla did: hp = gethostbyname2(host, AF_INET6); if (!hp) hp = gethostbyname(host);

RE: dual stack IPv6 on by default

2003-03-11 Thread Bound, Jim
Folks, Mozilla is going to fix this. Part of the problem was we took so long getting rfc 2553 updated to new RFC (its in the RFC editor queue now) they used Richard Stevens old program model. This will be updated to getaddrinfo and I agree with Itojun. Now as usual we await release updates

Re: dual stack IPv6 on by default

2003-03-11 Thread itojun
Mozilla is going to fix this. Part of the problem was we took so long getting rfc 2553 updated to new RFC (its in the RFC editor queue now) they used Richard Stevens old program model. This will be updated to getaddrinfo and I agree with Itojun. Now as usual we await release updates :--) We

RE: Revised IPv6 charter and DNS discovery

2003-03-11 Thread BELOEIL Luc FTRD/DMI/CAE
I agree with Alain that we need more input/discussion about using well known addresses for discovery of some services. I think that that will impact most of our networks' architectures. I know that a lot of ideas have been already described in former DNS Discovery Design Team(s). It seems that

RE: dual stack IPv6 on by default

2003-03-11 Thread Bound, Jim
So for people who want to go dual-stack in their workplace yet take devices to IPv4-only networks that's the problem they face. Of course you get what you deserve maybe for the application writer trusting presence of a DNS record as an indication of connectivity. This is for me

Document Action: Advanced Sockets API for IPv6 to Informational

2003-03-11 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'Advanced Sockets API for IPv6' draft-ietf-ipngwg-rfc2292bis-09.txt as an Informational RFC. This document is the product of the IP Version 6 Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Thomas Narten and Erik Nordmark. RFC Editor Note: The third

Re: why DNS discovery [Re: Revised IPv6 charter and DNS discovery]

2003-03-11 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Tim Chown wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 04:39:22PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: But then again, the above case hasn't been mentioned in any analysis I recall (just made it up), so it's difficult to say. I certainly don't feel there are a lot of issues with security in

RE: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-03.txt

2003-03-11 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Bound, Jim wrote: In addition the Enterprise wireline networks and IT are not going to give up stateful control with servers and NAS in their networks for a long time with IPv6 is my intelligence from my work with users. Are servers and NAS configured with DHCPv4 today?