RESEND: slides

2003-03-18 Thread matthew . ford
-Original Message- From: Ford,M,Mat,DEN5 FORDM5 R Sent: 17 March 2003 19:57 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: slides will the slides from today's meeting be made available somewhere? mat. IETF IPng

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 Flow Label Specification

2003-03-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
The co-authors' plan is to revise the draft according to the comments in hand (mainly Pekka's) and offer the revision to the WG chairs as the response to the WG last call. I also discussed with a few security people yesterday, and I will ask them to have a look at the revised security

RE: RESEND: slides

2003-03-18 Thread matthew . ford
apologies for spamming the list with this query twice. seems i am not receiving mail to the list - i guess as a result of the 'too many hops' problem recently announced. i am chasing this internally now. mat. -Original Message- From: Ford,M,Mat,DEN5 FORDM5 R Sent: 18 March 2003 09:26

Updates to PPPv6

2003-03-18 Thread Siva Veerepalli
The current work items in the wg charter and Margaret's presentation on document status in the WG meeting shows PPPv6 as one of the items. Could someone clarify what changes/updates are being considered for IPv6 over PPP rfc? Are they technical or editorial/clarification of existing text? I

5.2 DNS [Re: Nodes Requirements Input]

2003-03-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bound, Jim wrote: ... 5.2 DNS DNS, as described in [RFC-1034], [RFC-1035], [RFC-1886], [RFC-3152] and [RFC-3363] MAY be supported. Not all nodes will need to resolve addresses. Note that RFC 1886 is currently being updated [RFC-1886- BIS]. DNS use is a MUST

RE: Draft on IPv6 source address selection socket API

2003-03-18 Thread Dave Thaler
I've read this document, and I would like to see it accepted as a WG document and charter item. Comments on the current text: Section 3 It is recommended that the application does a getsockopt() prior calling to setsockopt() call so that it can save the existing source address preference

RE: Draft on IPv6 source address selection socket API

2003-03-18 Thread Erik Nordmark
I think the above paragraph is unneeded and confuses the issue. Setting the flags to 0 will restore the system default behavior. If the app is using multiple values at different times, the behavior is really up to the app, and the issue is not specific to this socket option. RFC 2553 etc

RE: Draft on IPv6 source address selection socket API

2003-03-18 Thread Dave Thaler
From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the above paragraph is unneeded and confuses the issue. Setting the flags to 0 will restore the system default behavior. If the app is using multiple values at different times, the behavior is really up to the app, and the issue is

RE: Draft on IPv6 source address selection socket API

2003-03-18 Thread Erik Nordmark
One other thing I forgot is that, since we need to pass flags to getaddrinfo as well as the TCP/IP stack, there is a need to fit all the flags (whether there are only prefer or prefer+require flags) into the flag name space for getaddrinfo. This has some implication on the number of flags one

RFC 3493 on Basic Socket Interface Extensions for IPv6

2003-03-18 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 3493 Title: Basic Socket Interface Extensions for IPv6 Author(s): R. Gilligan, S. Thomson, J. Bound, J. McCann, W. Stevens Status: Informational Date:

RE: 5.2 DNS [Re: Nodes Requirements Input]

2003-03-18 Thread Bound, Jim
Agreed. But how can a node find an address without MUST DNS. The point is that a requirement to use is based on the situation. My point last night. /jim -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:45 PM To: Bound, Jim

FW: Nodes Requirements Input

2003-03-18 Thread Bound, Jim
RESEND. I am hearing not all got this for some reason. /jim -Original Message- From: Bound, Jim Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:08 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Nodes Requirements Input WG, For any show of hands for Thursday a.m. per any discussion of Node Requirements I

Fwd: bar-bof on applications and ipv6 site-local

2003-03-18 Thread Margaret Wasserman
FYI -- Margaret Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:01:09 +0100 From: Leif Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Margaret

RE: 5.2 DNS [Re: Nodes Requirements Input]

2003-03-18 Thread john . loughney
Jim, Agreed. But how can a node find an address without MUST DNS. The point is that a requirement to use is based on the situation. My point last night. The earlier drafts used different language to try to capture these conditional requirements. The WG did not like the terms

RE: Nodes Requirements Input

2003-03-18 Thread john . loughney
4.5.1 IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture - RFC2373 The IPv6 Addressing Architecture [RFC-2373] MUST be supported. Currently, this specification is being updated by [ADDRARCHv3]. This has changed now. Will update, thanks. ALso we need to reference Multi6 could affect this

Mobility in Nodes Requirements

2003-03-18 Thread john . loughney
Jim, Hosts MAY support mobile node functionality. This should be SHOULD. The changing specs are not or can be an issue but this document is riddled with changing specs. I don't believe that servers, for example, need to implement mobile node functionality. If a node is fixed and will

RE: Nodes Requirements Input

2003-03-18 Thread Bound, Jim
Has Multi6 done anything that we we can reference? Nope. Just heads up. It hopefully will be transparent. [p.s.] Him majordomo appears to have dropped me from [EMAIL PROTECTED] could someone at Sun check. I sent mail but it bounced ? thanks /jim

RE: Mobility in Nodes Requirements

2003-03-18 Thread Bound, Jim
John, Jim, Hosts MAY support mobile node functionality. This should be SHOULD. The changing specs are not or can be an issue but this document is riddled with changing specs. I don't believe that servers, for example, need to implement mobile node functionality. If a

RE: 5.2 DNS [Re: Nodes Requirements Input]

2003-03-18 Thread Bound, Jim
John, The earlier drafts used different language to try to capture these conditional requirements. The WG did not like the terms (Unconditionally Mandatory, Conditionally Mandatory and Unconditionally Optional), so we dropped them. There seemed to be comments that we should stick to

RE: Mobility in Nodes Requirements

2003-03-18 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Bound, Jim wrote: mobile node functionality. If a node is fixed and will not move, what use is mobile node functionality? A server in a helicopter or plane is mobile for a few applications. I understand I am trying to make a point that this exercise needs to be

RE: 5.2 DNS [Re: Nodes Requirements Input]

2003-03-18 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Bound, Jim wrote: - Node Reqs 3GPP services - Node Database Services - Node Requirements iSCSI/IP Etc Etc. The scope is to narrow currently. One would think that one could exercise own judgment and listen to the customers (if applicable) when deciding which

RE: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 Flow Label Specification

2003-03-18 Thread jarno . rajahalme
Pekka Savola wrote: unintentionally is exactly what it means, so there is no problem doing this edit. This is related the API-issue above, as the interface is required for the applications to be able to specify which packets belong to which flow. No raw socket is needed for the fiddling,

Re: dns discovery for agenda? [Re: chairs and charter]

2003-03-18 Thread Tim Chown
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 05:40:02AM +0100, Johan Ihren wrote: Someone has to implement these things, burn code into proms and ship products. That process is not simplified by having several alternate mechanisms available. From an implementation point of view it would be much preferable to

RE: dns discovery for agenda? [Re: chairs and charter]

2003-03-18 Thread john . loughney
Hi all, With all due respect, I think this is short sighted. Today you almost cannot buy a DSL router for home use that doesn't have an integrated DHCP server, among all kinds of other strange stuff. To make a future equivalents of such devices also talk DHCPv6 is clearly possible.