Re: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-04-01 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Tony Hain wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: Markku Savela wrote: ... Even if IPv6 is enabled, the system administrator WILL not give global addresses to the internal nodes anyways. If site locals are not available, they invent something else for the purpose. Access control

Re: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Markku Savela wrote: ... Even if IPv6 is enabled, the system administrator WILL not give global addresses to the internal nodes anyways. If site locals are not available, they invent something else for the purpose. Access control lists in routers were in use for this years before RFC 1597.

RE: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-31 Thread Michel Py
Brian, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Access control lists in routers were in use for this years before RFC 1597. Preventing unwanted access has never been a valid argument for private addresses and never will be. I have to disagree with this. There are some legitimate cases of using private

RE: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-31 Thread Tony Hain
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Markku Savela wrote: ... Even if IPv6 is enabled, the system administrator WILL not give global addresses to the internal nodes anyways. If site locals are not available, they invent something else for the purpose. Access control lists in routers were in

Re: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-31 Thread Alex Conta
Tony, Tony Hain wrote: [...] the decision was based on fear of NAT [...] Local address space is a filtering function, and exists with or without header mangling. Filtering will exist in real network deployments, so having a space set aside for that purpose does not change the

Re: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-30 Thread Markku Savela
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wasserman-ipv6-sl-impact-02.txt In above document... --- 3.1 The Fundamental Issue ... - The addresses are unreachable outside of their original context. ... --- Some may think the above is actually a benefit: all

Re: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-28 Thread Bob Hinden
Sorry, the subject should have been Draft IPv6 Minutes from the San Francisco IETF. The minutes are OK. Bob At 01:05 PM 3/28/2003, Bob Hinden wrote: Draft IPv6 working group minutes from the San Francisco IETF are attached. Please review and send comments. Thanks, Bob

RE: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-28 Thread Tony Hain
It is interesting that Erik pointed out there was not enough information to make a decision due to lack of agreement about the requirements, yet that was ignored and the decision was made to press on and call a question that was not even on the agenda ... From the minutes, the characterizations I

RE: Draft IPv6 Minutes from Atlanta IETF

2003-03-28 Thread Tony Hain
Eliot Lear wrote: While RPF is useful and good, better is a default-deny model. Those are orthogonal concepts. Route filtering is about limiting the ability to return traffic to a site, while RPF is about enforcing that a site is sourcing traffic from a valid prefix. Both are required. Tony