Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-03 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Jinmei, At 02:36 PM 4/2/2003 +0900, JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= wrote: What was the consensus, if any, on alternatives to site-locals when SL is deprecated? In particular, which prefixes will we use for disconnected or intermittently connected sites? I've checked

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-03 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 05:06:08PM +0100, Mike Saywell wrote: Not if the ad-hoc routing protocol assigns/negotiates one... Note also in Mike's scenario he needs /48's to networks attached to the community mesh, so the /10 property of a site-local is required, and solutions which may allocate

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Erik Nordmark
According to the draft minutes, someone mentioned we can use arbitrary prefixes for those purposes. That's true, but we cannot assure the uniqueness of the arbitrary-chosen prefixes, so I don't see any essential advantage over the existing fec0::/10 (with eliminating the full usage). I

RE: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiroki Ishibashi wrote: SNIP There are plenty of potential ways to achieve this some of which include: * get a prefix for disconnected access from a ISP. * set up registries. These will definitely increase the cost of owning even disconnected

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Markku Savela
From: Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone doesn't want/like this they can pick a random number and use that, they still have to renumber when they interconnect to another site or the internet. No, when you interconnect, you just keep using your global addresses in parallel with site

RE: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
Markku Savela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone doesn't want/like this they can pick a random number and use that, they still have to renumber when they interconnect to another site or the internet. No, when you interconnect, you just

RE: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
Markku Savela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Markku Savela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite claims of opposite, this combination works just fine. Example.com: fec0::/10 Example.org: fec0::/10 Good luck in tossing the bits around

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Mark . Andrews
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiroki Ishibashi wrote: SNIP There are plenty of potential ways to achieve this some of which include: * get a prefix for disconnected access from a ISP. * set up registries. These will definitely increase the cost of owning even

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Mike Saywell
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 03:37:25PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: Indeed 'just pick some random address' if you don't want to be connected to the rest of the world. No need for SL. Also E20 or a similar amount is peanuts compared to what it would cost if you need to renumber your complete site.

RE: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
Markku Savela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Global addresses, good, and where did you need a SL for again? Well, just for fun, I keep using SL for internal connections. One never knows when my global connection may break or change prefix, at a

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Mike Saywell
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 04:59:06PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: Mike Saywell wrote: I setup an ad-hoc network using my laptop, wireless is 1 network and wired is a second, my laptop routes between them. There is no external connectivity and site-locals are deprecated so I pick a random

RE: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Tony Hain
Jeroen Massar wrote: ... If someone doesn't want/like this they can pick a random number and use that, they still have to renumber when they interconnect to another site or the internet. Renumbering in an IPv6 context means adding a prefix. Unlike IPv4 it does not mean removing the existing

RE: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeroen Massar
Tony Hain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeroen Massar wrote: ... If someone doesn't want/like this they can pick a random number and use that, they still have to renumber when they interconnect to another site or the internet. Renumbering in an IPv6 context means adding a prefix.

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-01 Thread Mark . Andrews
Before responding to the consensus call on site-local addresses, I'd like to ask one question for clarification. (As required, I changed the subject line). What was the consensus, if any, on alternatives to site-locals when SL is deprecated? In particular, which prefixes will we use for

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-01 Thread Hiroki Ishibashi
Before responding to the consensus call on site-local addresses, I'd like to ask one question for clarification. (As required, I changed the subject line). What was the consensus, if any, on alternatives to site-locals when SL is deprecated? In particular, which

Re: alternatives to site-locals? (Re: CONSENSUS CALL: Deprecating Site-Local Addressing)

2003-04-01 Thread Mark . Andrews
Before responding to the consensus call on site-local addresses, I'd like to ask one question for clarification. (As required, I changed the subject line). What was the consensus, if any, on alternatives to site-locals when SL is deprecated? In particular, which prefixes will we