Re: [IPsec] Last Call: (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC

2011-07-27 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Unfortunately Dan cannot accept that there may be objective, non political reasons for the group not to adopt his work. Which is the reason why three alternative proposals were published several months after his proposed PAKE solution. As co-chairmen of ipsecme, Paul and I did our best to get

Re: [IPsec] Last Call: (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC

2011-07-27 Thread Dan Harkins
Paul, The existence of this draft shows a failure of YOUR leadership (and that of your co-chairman) of the working group. Consensus was achieved to add an authentication method based on a simple password yet you seemingly worked to do everything possible to create division in the working grou

Re: [IPsec] Last Call: (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC

2011-07-27 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: > I think this is a terrible idea. +.5. I think is is a bad idea. > IKEv2 has a way for mutual authentication with a shared key. > > A concern was raised that this method was vulnerable to guessing if trivial > shared keys were configured. > > T

Re: [IPsec] Last Call: (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC

2011-07-27 Thread Tero Kivinen
Yoav Nir writes: > This draft represents a total shirking of our responsibility. Rather > than decide on one protocol that is "best" or even arbitrarily > choosing one that is "good enough", it proposes to build a framework > so that everyone and their dog can have their own method. This is a > nig

Re: [IPsec] Last Call: (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC

2011-07-27 Thread Yoav Nir
I think this is a terrible idea. IKEv2 has a way for mutual authentication with a shared key. A concern was raised that this method was vulnerable to guessing if trivial shared keys were configured. There were several proposals for a better cryptographic method. The IPsecME working group fail

[IPsec] Last Call: (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC

2011-07-27 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Secure Password Framework for IKEv2' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments

Re: [IPsec] IPsecme WG: a quick update

2011-07-27 Thread Yoav Nir
Alright, here's one. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nir-ipsecme-erx-01 defines an extension to IKEv2 so that ERX (as defined by the HOKEY group) can be used with IKEv2. This will allow a seamless transfer from a local network protected by 802.1x to a public network where your access needs to