Re: [IPsec] ECDSA for IKEv2

2012-11-04 Thread Pekka Riikonen
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, Paul Hoffman wrote: : The design team decided it is best to add just one new authentication : method, that will support all kinds of signature methods. This : includes all ECDSA and other EC-based methods (ECGDSA) and can also : support other algorithms too (RSA-PSS or even ElG

Re: [IPsec] Comments to thedraft-smyslov-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Tero, thank you for your comments. A general comment: I think we already decided in the WG that we will go with the tcp approach, not with this fragmentation layer in the IKEv2. Why do we have this document here? As others pointed out this draft is not a WG item. Some other comments In s

Re: [IPsec] Comments to draft-ietf-ipsecme-ike-tcp-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Michael Richardson
Tero Kivinen wrote: TK> In addition to the IKE_AUTH there is another big class of UPD TK> packets which can be large, and which might get fragmented, i.e TK> udp encapsulated nat traversal IPsec UDP packets. If the >> I don't think you are suggesting any specific technical change

[IPsec] Fwd: Comments to the draft-nir-ipsecme-erx-07.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Yoav Nir
I have forwarded this to the IETF, and left out the IPsec mailing list on purpose, so that future messages are not copied here. Please reply to that list. Yoav Begin forwarded message: From: Yoav Nir mailto:y...@checkpoint.com>> Subject: Re: Comments to the draft-nir-ipsecme-erx-07.txt Date:

Re: [IPsec] Comments to draft-ietf-ipsecme-ike-tcp-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Tero Kivinen
Michael Richardson writes: > Tero Kivinen wrote: > TK> In addition to the IKE_AUTH there is another big class of UPD > TK> packets which can be large, and which might get fragmented, i.e > TK> udp encapsulated nat traversal IPsec UDP packets. If the > > I don't think you are suggestin

[IPsec] ipsecme-oob-pubkey

2012-11-04 Thread Michael Richardson
draft-kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey -- 15 mins Motivations Description of problem that is being solved Question about whether this updated 5996 to replace RSA raw key format The question is, I think whether this is an extension to 5996, or an update?If an update, then it

[IPsec] draft-mcgrew-ipsec-me-esp-ah-reqts

2012-11-04 Thread Michael Richardson
What in practice, for an implementer and/or his marketing manager, is the difference between "MAY" for algorithm and not listing it at all? I would understand if we had "MAY+", but really, that is what "SHOULD" means. Could there implications on UIs, such that things listed SHOULD/MUST are list

[IPsec] ike-tcp-00

2012-11-04 Thread Michael Richardson
I read ipsec-ike-tcp-00. I found it very clear. section 3 says: > An initiator using this policy MUST NOT go to TCP if the responder > has not indicated support by sending the IKE_TCP_SUPPORTED > notification (Section 2.5) in the Initial response. ... > Yet another policy would be to b

Re: [IPsec] Comments to draft-ietf-ipsecme-ike-tcp-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Michael Richardson
Tero Kivinen wrote: TK> -- TK> Specifically, the messages of the IKE_AUTH exchange can become TK> quite large, as they may contain a chain of certificates, an TK> "Auth" payload (that may contain a public key sign

Re: [IPsec] Comments to the draft-smyslov-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Yaron Sheffer
As Tero mentioned on another thread, the "related docs" section is created automatically based on keyword matching. You'll need to rename the I-D to draft-harkins-ipsecme-ikev3. Thanks, Yaron On 11/04/2012 05:35 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: On Sun, November 4, 2012 5:29 am, Paul Hoffman w

Re: [IPsec] Comments to the draft-smyslov-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Tero Kivinen
Paul Hoffman writes: > On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Tero Kivinen wrote: > > A general comment: I think we already decided in the WG that we will > > go with the tcp approach, not with this fragmentation layer in the > > IKEv2. Why do we have this document here? > We don't. Documents listed as "Rel

Re: [IPsec] ECDSA for IKEv2

2012-11-04 Thread Sean Turner
On 11/2/12 2:27 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: Greetings again. Here is the long-sought-after consensus report from the design team that was tasked with a proposal for better supporting ECDSA certificates in IKEv2. If you have any concern for this topic, please read the proposal below and send comme

Re: [IPsec] Comments to the draft-smyslov-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Dan Harkins
On Sun, November 4, 2012 5:29 am, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Tero Kivinen wrote: > >> A general comment: I think we already decided in the WG that we will >> go with the tcp approach, not with this fragmentation layer in the >> IKEv2. Why do we have this document here? >

Re: [IPsec] Comments to the draft-zhang-ipsecme-multi-path-ipsec-02

2012-11-04 Thread Cuiyang
I am afraid that only multi-paths cannot enhance the security. As Tero commented, if one can decrypt one path, then it is a successful security breach already. I think the point is that what is the definition of "insecure network", and the definition of the "security" here. From a cryptographic

Re: [IPsec] Comments to the draft-smyslov-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-00.txt

2012-11-04 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Tero Kivinen wrote: > A general comment: I think we already decided in the WG that we will > go with the tcp approach, not with this fragmentation layer in the > IKEv2. Why do we have this document here? We don't. Documents listed as "Related Documents" on the Datatr