Re: [IPsec] how common is ESP TFC support (and signaling of non-support) ?

2016-05-31 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 31 May 2016, Tommy Pauly wrote: iOS and Mac OS X do not support ESP TFC, and mark ESP_TFC_PADDING_NOT_SUPPORTED in the IKE_AUTH packets. I have not heard of problems with interop in this area. So I just did an interop, enabled TFC and it worked great with iOS :) 22:10:29.449629 IP

[IPsec] Review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection-06

2016-05-31 Thread Paul Wouters
This is a partial review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection-06 up to Section 6. I hope to complete the rest in the next few days. I think this document needs another revision before continuing. (and I would prefer it to be split in two) Issues / Questions: An obvious defense, which is

Re: [IPsec] Status of draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection

2016-05-31 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 31 May 2016, Waltermire, David A. (Fed) wrote: From what I am reading, there isn't an interest in splitting puzzles out as experimental. If you feel strongly that puzzles should be split out into a separate experimental draft, please speak up. If we don't hear anything by Monday,

Re: [IPsec] Status of draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection

2016-05-31 Thread Waltermire, David A. (Fed)
From what I am reading, there isn't an interest in splitting puzzles out as experimental. If you feel strongly that puzzles should be split out into a separate experimental draft, please speak up. If we don't hear anything by Monday, June 6, we will begin making preparations to send the draft

[IPsec] how common is ESP TFC support (and signaling of non-support) ?

2016-05-31 Thread Paul Wouters
Hi vendors, I am wondering how common it is for stacks to support ESP TFC ? And also, how common it is for stacks that do NOT support ESP TFC, to properly signal that with ESP_TFC_PADDING_NOT_SUPPORTED. That is, has anyone ever encountered an interop problem when enabling ESP TFC? I would be

Re: [IPsec] Chairs

2016-05-31 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 31 May 2016, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: I'd like to thank Paul for his many years chairing IPSecMe! We look forward to your continued participation. Tero Kivinen has volunteered to co-chair the working group and still be active as a individual as not to impact the working group.

Re: [IPsec] Status of draft-ietf-ipsecme-ddos-protection

2016-05-31 Thread Valery Smyslov
The concern is not about stand-alone puzzles document. It is about an Experimental status of that document versus Standards Track in the current draft. Vendors tend to ignore Experimental RFCs. The conventional wisdom is that vendors tend to ignore whatever status the IETF assigns to