[IPsec] Take a stand for key hygine

2016-11-17 Thread Watson Ladd
Dear all, In reviewing the proceedings now online I noticed that someone is proposing to support using the same key with multiple signature algorithms. This is a bad idea that makes everyone sad. Showing that a signature under one algorithm cannot be abused to obtain another signature with a diffe

Re: [IPsec] Take a stand for key hygine

2016-11-17 Thread Yoav Nir
Hi, Watson On 18 Nov 2016, at 9:18, Watson Ladd wrote: > Dear all, > > In reviewing the proceedings now online I noticed that someone is > proposing to support using the same key with multiple signature > algorithms. This is a bad idea that makes everyone sad. Showing that a > signature under o

Re: [IPsec] Take a stand for key hygine

2016-11-17 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Watson, I also wonder where did you come to such a conclusion from. Besides discussion about contexts in EdDSA, there was a slide in my presentation that was about signature formats ambiguity in IKEv2, that may be interpreted as a promotion for using the same key with different signature algor

Re: [IPsec] Take a stand for key hygine

2016-11-17 Thread Watson Ladd
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: > Hi, Watson > > On 18 Nov 2016, at 9:18, Watson Ladd wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> In reviewing the proceedings now online I noticed that someone is >> proposing to support using the same key with multiple signature >> algorithms. This is a bad idea

Re: [IPsec] Take a stand for key hygine

2016-11-17 Thread Tero Kivinen
Watson Ladd writes: > I might be confused, but the slides in > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/97/slides/slides-97-ipsecme-signature-forms-ambiguity-in-ikev2-00.pdf > seem to very clearly want something else. Apologies for my > insufficient context inclusion. Yes, with RSA I think it might be qui

Re: [IPsec] Take a stand for key hygine

2016-11-17 Thread Watson Ladd
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Tero Kivinen wrote: > Watson Ladd writes: >> I might be confused, but the slides in >> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/97/slides/slides-97-ipsecme-signature-forms-ambiguity-in-ikev2-00.pdf >> seem to very clearly want something else. Apologies for my >> insufficie