Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-10 Thread Gandhar Gokhale
And testing cost for one more crypto algorithm when the algorithmic permutations are already too high! Gandhar Gokhale Networking Components Group LSI On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:28 PM, wrote: > > On Mar 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, paul_kon...@dell.com w

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-10 Thread Stephen Kent
Paul, ... It's good to remember the reason that 256-bits keys for AES were specified, i.e., as a hedge against someone building a quantum computer. So, unless the data being encrypted is expected to have a lifetime far enough into the future as to merit protection against that concern, the extra

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-10 Thread Paul_Koning
On Mar 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, paul_kon...@dell.com wrote: > >> That’s a good argument for a user choosing to use AES-128 rather than >> AES-256. But it doesn’t really address why “SHOULD implement” isn’t >> justified — the implementation cost is tri

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, paul_kon...@dell.com wrote: That’s a good argument for a user choosing to use AES-128 rather than AES-256. But it doesn’t really address why “SHOULD implement” isn’t justified — the implementation cost is trivial and if it isn’t used it has no performance impact. It's

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-10 Thread Paul_Koning
On Mar 10, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Stephen Kent wrote: > Paul >> On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Black, David wrote: >> The next draft changes AES-128-CBC to AES-CBC, and says: In the following sections, all AES modes are for 128-bit AES. 192-bit AES MAY be supported for those mode

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-10 Thread Stephen Kent
Paul On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Black, David wrote: The next draft changes AES-128-CBC to AES-CBC, and says: In the following sections, all AES modes are for 128-bit AES. 192-bit AES MAY be supported for those modes, but the requirements here are for 128-bit AES. What about 256-bit AES keys

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-09 Thread Black, David
unday, March 09, 2014 5:44 AM To: ipsec Subject: Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts With vendor hat on: years ago we measured the performance and found that the performance of AES-256-CBC and AES-192-CBC were virtually identical. We removed AES-192-CBC from our UI becau

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-09 Thread Yoav Nir
With vendor hat on: years ago we measured the performance and found that the performance of AES-256-CBC and AES-192-CBC were virtually identical. We removed AES-192-CBC from our UI because we didn't see a point to it - less security for no performance gain. I don't have any more recent measurement

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-08 Thread Paul_Koning
On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Black, David wrote: >> The next draft changes AES-128-CBC to AES-CBC, and says: >> >> In the following sections, all AES modes are for 128-bit AES. 192-bit AES >> MAY be supported for those modes, but the requirements here are for 128-bit >> AES. > > What about 256-

Re: [IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 8, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Black, David wrote: > What about 256-bit AES keys? They should also be a "MAY". Good catch. --Paul Hoffman ___ IPsec mailing list IPsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec

[IPsec] AES key lengths: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-ah-reqts

2014-03-08 Thread Black, David
> The next draft changes AES-128-CBC to AES-CBC, and says: > > In the following sections, all AES modes are for 128-bit AES. 192-bit AES > MAY be supported for those modes, but the requirements here are for 128-bit > AES. What about 256-bit AES keys? They should also be a "MAY". Thanks, --David