Updated text for Node Req: Issue23: DNS issues

2003-10-10 Thread john . loughney
Hi all, After discussing with some DNS folk, the suggested text for section 5.2 is as follows: 5.2 DNS All nodes, that need to resolve names, SHOULD implement stub-resolver [RFC1034 section 5.3.1] functionality with support for: - type Resource Records

Re: Appeal to the IAB on the site-local issue

2003-10-10 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Speaking as an outsider on this particular topic... Is there any reason why these appeals should be single-threaded? As much fun as it might be to continue to rotate this topic on a spit, we've been discussing whether we actually made this decision or not for six months. Continuing to discuss it

RE: Removing features

2003-10-10 Thread Margaret . Wasserman
Hi Fred, So in the general case I don't see a problem with deprecating things under the right circumstances, but I do have a problem with removing them outright. Deprecation doesn't prevent people from using them, but outright removal can be dangerous. And in this case, the assertion

Re: Appeal to the IAB on the site-local issue

2003-10-10 Thread Scott Bradner
note that this survey was done *after* the decision was announced as a done deal - I, for one, took that into account when I responded From: Bob Hinden Brian Haberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Haberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003

Re: Appeal to the IAB on the site-local issue

2003-10-10 Thread Leif Johansson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eugene M. Kim wrote: snip | | With all due respect, it seems that it would be beneficial for both | camps (for and against SL) to hear, even now, the real concerns directly | from the operation people and to let them participate in the decision |

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-00.txt

2003-10-10 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture Author(s) : R. Hinden, S. Deering Filename

Re: Removing features

2003-10-10 Thread Rob Austein
No offense, folks, but if you really must have yet another round of this interminable discussion, could you please trim the cc: list? Four copies of each message is a bit much. Thanks. IETF IPv6 working group mailing list

An official HIP BOF request has been sent

2003-10-10 Thread Pekka Nikander
[Apologies for cross-posting. Please trim the CC: on replies.] Folks, I sent an official BOF request for a Host Identity Protocol BOF a few moments ago. Based on the discussions with the INT area ADs, it looks fairly probable that a BOF will be scheduled. The latest version of the proposed BOF

Re: Appeal to the IAB on the site-local issue

2003-10-10 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Leif Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Been there. Done that. Didn't work. This vast Moral Majority of the Site-Locals either don't exist or live entierly behind NATs or other boxes which prevent them from receiving the call to arms to participate in the debate. ;-) Or we all just got

Re: Appeal to the IAB on the site-local issue

2003-10-10 Thread Keith Moore
For the record, I can't support deprecating site locals until we have something else approved to replace them replace them for what purpose? different people wanted site locals for different purposes. some of those purposes are dubious. others inherently cause harm. we're not going to

Re: Removing features

2003-10-10 Thread Fred Baker
At 12:55 PM 10/10/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All in all, however, I think outright removal, although short-term more painful, will be less troublesome than many years of debugging problems caused by 1918-style leakage of addresses for a deprecated feature. That may be so. It is a third

RE: Appeal to the IAB on the site-local issue

2003-10-10 Thread Margaret . Wasserman
Hi Scott, Speaking only for myself, I would like to address a couple of the points that you have made. It is my opinion that there is a difference between a working group deciding to adopt a technology and a working group deciding to delete a technology from an existing IETF

Re: Appeal to the IAB on the site-local issue

2003-10-10 Thread Fred Baker
At 02:30 PM 10/10/2003, Leif Johansson wrote: With all due respect, it seems that it would be beneficial for both camps (for and against SL) to hear, even now, the real concerns directly from the operation people and to let them participate in the decision themselves. ... snip Been there. Done

Re: Removing features

2003-10-10 Thread Keith Moore
So the basic concept is (in my opinion) broken and needs to be euthanized. This is based on the assumption that leaking RFC 1918 routing information or packets with RFC 1918 source or destination addresses is actually harmful in and of itself. no, it's based on (among other things)

RE: Removing features

2003-10-10 Thread Fred Baker
At 03:03 PM 10/10/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred, I hope that this resolves your technical concern about this particular case, and I apologize for not making this distinction clear in my response to Scott. yes, it does. In this case, I was responding to an increase in the complexity of the