>>>>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:42:02 -0500, 
>>>>> "Soliman, Hesham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> => Agreed. In addition to Appendix C, we also agreed on the list to add a 
> paragraph to
> section 7.2 (text from Greg Daley) to clarify the general
> handling. This was also added.

OK so far.

>    So, the change to APPENDIX C should cover the
>> case of
>> 
>> - an unsolicited ND message does not contain source/target LLAO
>> - the receiving node does not have a neighbor cache entry for the
>> source/target
>> 
>> for RA, RS, NS and redirect.
>> 
>> That's why I made this comment.  Again, if the source of the 
>> change to
>> 05 is different than this discussion, please specify a pointer to the
>> real source.

> => Your comment seemed to indicate that the non-existence of the cache entry
> was a separate issue, but I don't think it is. The reception of an ND message 
> without
> the SLLAO is only a problem if no entry existed. In other words, we wouldn't 
> have
> registered this issue from the beginning if it were related to cases where 
> the receiving
> node already had an entry. 

Yes, that's correct.  Perhaps I was not clear in my previous message,
but I actually meant:

  the change to APPENDIX C should cover the case of
    an unsolicited ND message does not contain source/target LLAO,
    AND the receiving node does not have a neighbor cache entry for
    the source/target
  (there are two conditions for a single 'case')

Is this now clear and does that match your (our) understanding?

Then, let's revisit the change to APPENDIX C in 2461bis-05.  My point
of the first message of this thread is that the change does not cover
cases where a neighbor cache entry does not exist when the unsolicited
message arrives (see the diff I attached to a previous message
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/msg05861.html).

More specifically, I'd like to see new entries like:

   State           Event                   Action             New state

   -               RS, no link-layer       -                  -
                   address

...hmm..., perhaps your intent was that such cases should be covered
new entries like this one:

   INCOMPLETE      NS, RS No link-layer    -                   unchanged
                   address

If so, I see your position, but I don't think this is 100% correct,
because the 'non-existent' entry cannot be in any state (INCOMPLETE in
this case).  I believe using '-' for the 'State' field in these cases
should make more sense.

> If you only mean: "Add the case for REDIRECT received without SLLAO" that's 
> ok with me.

Yes, that's my point.

>> If you really want to treat the two cases separately in APPENDIX C, I
>> don't necessarily object to that particular decision.  However, the
>> decision should at least be consistent throughout the appendix.

> => Good points. I agree with that. So to keep it consistent, I'll remove this 
> distinction
> between host and router. 

Okay, but please clarify my first question, too:

>> First of all, which part of the main text specifies this behavior?  As
>> far as I can see, the only text that explicitly mentions ICMPv6
>> destination unreachable error to be sent is in Section 7.2.2, where
>> the error is sent upon retransmit timeout for NS messages (which is
>> clearly a different scenario than this one).

Thanks,

                                        JINMEI, Tatuya
                                        Communication Platform Lab.
                                        Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba Corp.
                                        [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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