Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

2013-06-21 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
I really like this idea. What worries me is the different cases to be examined/solved depending on the source device: host (applications) or router (protocols). And this draft takes into account mostly the first. -- Tassos Ronald Bonica wrote on 20/06/2013 18:55: Folks, Please review this

Re: Progressing stable-privacy-addresses (bis) (was Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt))

2013-06-21 Thread Ole Troan
Fernando, There was a message asking Fernando to wait because of a yet-to-be-written draft. :-) In my opinion the dependency would be non-normative. There doesn't seem to be much room for argument there. the action is on the chairs to initiate the WGLC, and subsequently to review the

Fwd: Status BOF in Berlin

2013-06-21 Thread Stewart Bryant
This BOF touches on technology of interest to each of the working groups on the To list. I apologies to those that have already seen this through circulation to routing-discussion, but I know that not everyone is subscribed there. The list for discussion of this topic is sta...@ietf.org -

Re: Progressing stable-privacy-addresses (bis) (was Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt))

2013-06-21 Thread Fernando Gont
Ole, My apologies if my coments cam across the wrong way. PLease find my comments in-line... On 06/21/2013 10:23 AM, Ole Troan wrote: This document has been suffering from unnecessary delays for almost a year now. this document was returned to the working group by the AD, after the IETF

RE: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

2013-06-21 Thread Ronald Bonica
Hi Tassos, Thanks for reviewing the draft. Could you provide more detail on what is missing? Ron -Original Message- From: Tassos Chatzithomaoglou [mailto:ach...@forthnetgroup.gr] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:03 AM To: Ronald Bonica; ipv6@ietf.org

Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

2013-06-21 Thread joel jaeggli
On 6/21/13 10:03 AM, Ray Hunter wrote: I have also read this draft. It mentions that DNSSEC will be impacted. What's the alternative if DNSSEC can't send multiple UDP fragments? so I'm pretty sure I don't want to expose myself to really big replies because that pushed the opportunity to

Re: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

2013-06-21 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
I suppose I'm the contrarian, but this draft gives me some heartburn surrounding the robustness principle. Yes, TCP MSS generally limits the use of fragmentation for IPv6. We don't have a counterpart to MSS for UDP, and others have noted that OSPF etc may have issues. Thinking hypothetically,

RE: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

2013-06-21 Thread Ronald Bonica
I don't 100% agree. In the case that PMTUD is broken, there'd be nothing to stop a current DNSSEC implementation from always assuming a default path MTU of 1280, without awaiting confirmation from PMTUD, and fragmenting the UDP packet pre-emptively [assuming fragmentation was not equally

Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

2013-06-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 22/06/2013 07:53, Ronald Bonica wrote: I don't 100% agree. In the case that PMTUD is broken, there'd be nothing to stop a current DNSSEC implementation from always assuming a default path MTU of 1280, without awaiting confirmation from PMTUD, and fragmenting the UDP packet pre-emptively

RE: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

2013-06-21 Thread Ronald Bonica
-Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:53 PM To: Ronald Bonica Cc: Ray Hunter; ipv6@ietf.org 6man-wg Subject: Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag- deprecate-00.txt On 22/06/2013