Hi Ijitsch and Gunter,

I fully agree that DDoS avoidance is a very important issue,
if SAVA can successfully resolve the problem of source address 
(based on existing mechanisms and some new mechanisms)
then other WG can work on top of SAVA to resolve DDoS, to design trust 
identifier
 (based on trust/traceable infurstrucre) and resolve SPAM. 

I just wonder how many goals we should put into a single WG. 

Regards,
Jun

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From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jun Bi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: [SAVA] Re: [Int-area] Call For Participation and 
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> DDOS avoidance is quite high up my list of priority also... I would be
> additionally interrested in a mechanism that would identify the attacker
> or identify sources of SPAM.
> 
> G/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:56 PM
> To: Jun Bi
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pekka Savola; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; IETF
> IPv6 Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SAVA] Re: [Int-area] Call For Participation and
> Interest:Source Address Validation Architecture (SAVA)
> 
> On 12-sep-2006, at 16:31, Jun Bi wrote:
> 
>> DDoS attacks is a cross-layer problems, so the DDoS prevention is out 
>> of SAVA's scope.
> 
> So what's the use then? Non-DoS related source address spoofing is
> easily thwarted by doing a return routability check that contains a
> hard-to-guess nonce.
> 
> The way it looks here, the focus of SAVA is so narrow that I can't see
> how it's worth the effort.
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