Re: Could MLD announced solicited node memberships be used validate off-link, router originated Neighbor Solicitations?

2010-01-28 Thread Erik Nordmark
On 01/28/10 04:16 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: * Erik Nordmark (erik.nordm...@sun.com) wrote: Note that the RSs don't list all the hosts' IP addresses - the source is a link-local address. Thus the logic in the router needs to be able to compare just N low order bits. If a RS has been send from

Re: Could MLD announced solicited node memberships be used validate off-link, router originated Neighbor Solicitations?

2010-01-28 Thread Mark Smith
A quick thought on one of your points, before I go to bed :-) On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:34:11 -0800 Erik Nordmark erik.nordm...@sun.com wrote: On 01/28/10 03:49 AM, Mark Smith wrote: Just to ensure we're on the same page, this checking of known Solicited Node addresses would only be

Re: Could MLD announced solicited node memberships be used validate off-link, router originated Neighbor Solicitations?

2010-01-28 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Erik Nordmark (erik.nordm...@sun.com) wrote: Note that the RSs don't list all the hosts' IP addresses - the source is a link-local address. Thus the logic in the router needs to be able to compare just N low order bits. If a RS has been send from link local fe80::0:1:2:3 then the router

Re: Could MLD announced solicited node memberships be used validate off-link, router originated Neighbor Solicitations?

2010-01-28 Thread Erik Nordmark
On 01/28/10 04:53 AM, Mark Smith wrote: Setting maximums for the incomplete neighbor cache entry was my first thought. The drawback I'd be concerned about is that if that limit is e.g. 1000, and an an attacker fills it up, then subsequent legitimate requests get dropped. I'm hoping we can come

Re: Could MLD announced solicited node memberships be used validate off-link, router originated Neighbor Solicitations?

2010-01-28 Thread Wassim Haddad
Hi Mark, Just a quick note. If I understand your problem correctly, I'd suggest reading the following paper as it decsribes a mechanism to mitigate the ND DoS attack launched from outside: http://planete.inrialpes.fr/%7Eccastel/PAPERS/infocom05.pdf Regards, Wassim H. On Jan 27, 2010, at

Re: Could MLD announced solicited node memberships be used validate off-link, router originated Neighbor Solicitations?

2010-01-27 Thread Shane Amante
Mark, On Jan 27, 2010, at 00:44 MST, Mark Smith wrote: Hi, There have been a few discussions on a few operational mailing lists in the last few weeks about the use of longer than /64s on point-to-point links. One valid reason to do so is to mitigate a Neighbor Discovery DoS, initiated

Could MLD announced solicited node memberships be used validate off-link, router originated Neighbor Solicitations?

2010-01-26 Thread Mark Smith
Hi, There have been a few discussions on a few operational mailing lists in the last few weeks about the use of longer than /64s on point-to-point links. One valid reason to do so is to mitigate a Neighbor Discovery DoS, initiated by off-link sources sending traffic to incrementing