Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-23 Thread Ralph Droms
On Sat, 2005-05-21 at 07:51 +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2005, Bob Hinden wrote: Also, I am not sure I understand what the problem is regarding knowing when to try using DHCPv6. For practical purposes, if there isn't a router present (indicated by the RAs it sends) is

Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-20 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
(Cleaning the Cc list a bit) On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:29:20 -0400, Thomas Narten [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There are really only two behaviors a client should be doing. If a client doesn't implement DHC, well, then it obviously shouldn't/can't invoke DHC. End of story. If it does implement

Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-20 Thread Syam Madanapalli
On 5/18/05, Thomas Narten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me just start off by saying I pretty much agree completely with what Bernie just said. Even I do agrre, what Bernie said. I understodd from his mail, a node can fall back to Information Configuration Behavior (DHCPv6 Lite) if ti fails do

Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-20 Thread Ralph Droms
The discussion of M/O bits caused me to think about the meaning and specification of host behavior for M/O bits and for SLAAC. In particular, I'm trying to understand the degree of control over host behavior specified in both cases. I'll focus here on what I can understand about SLAAC, because

RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-20 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
Excellent points Thomas. 5. what if the M flag is set but the host does not get any DHCPv6 Advertise in the initial exchange? Is it okay to fall back to the RFC3736 subset? Or is it even okay to run both full RFC3315 and the RFC3736 subset concurrently from the beginning?

Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-20 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
On Fri, 20 May 2005 13:47:25 -0400, Thomas Narten [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That is, vendors always implement additional knobs/whistles as they see fit. The IETF doesn't need to account for all of those. What we our specs do need to support is not disallowing behavior that it might make

Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Thomas, If the original 2461 text is really deemed insufficient, how about something like: o M : 1-bit Managed address configuration flag. When set, it indicates that addresses are available via Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol [DHCPv6], including addresses that were

Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-18 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
On Mon, 16 May 2005 09:56:26 -0400, Bernie Volz (volz) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I haven't followed this thread carefully, but are you trying to suggest that if the M flag is set but O is not, that a client would IGNORE the other configuration parameters received from a DHCP server in a

RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-17 Thread timothy enos
Savola Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms); IPv6 WG; JINMEI Tatuya / Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt Tim: I'm not sure what you mean by your question ... SLAC (stateless auto-configuration) is independent of stateful. There may be some

RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-16 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
I haven't followed this thread carefully, but are you trying to suggest that if the M flag is set but O is not, that a client would IGNORE the other configuration parameters received from a DHCP server in a Solicit/Advertise/Request/Reply sequence? That seems very bad to me. And a waste of

RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-16 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt I haven't followed this thread carefully, but are you trying to suggest that if the M flag is set but O is not, that a client would IGNORE the other configuration parameters received from a DHCP server in a Solicit/Advertise/Request

RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-16 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
Exactly! -Original Message- From: Stig Venaas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:21 PM To: Bernie Volz (volz) Cc: JINMEI Tatuya / ; Pekka Savola; dhcwg@ietf.org; IPv6 WG; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra

RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-16 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
To: Bernie Volz (volz) Cc: JINMEI Tatuya / ; dhcwg@ietf.org; IPv6 WG; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt On Mon, 16 May 2005, Bernie Volz (volz) wrote: BTW, if you want to look at this from the router administrator's

RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt

2005-05-16 Thread timothy enos
(volz) Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:20 PM To: Pekka Savola Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms); IPv6 WG; JINMEI Tatuya / Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Re: IPv6 WG Last Call:draft-ietf-ipv6-ra-mo-flags-01.txt Hey, if they don't know what they're doing then set the bits and be done with it. If there's