RE: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Ivan Pepelnjak
> I'm not sure about other switches, but for the Catalyst 3750/3750G, it > means some quirks with IPv6 ACLs. The 3750/3750D can do ACLs on full > /128's, but only if the lower 64 bits are EUI64. Otherwise the ACLs only > support /64's or shorter. As I understand it, this is because Cisco made >

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread sthaug
> > Do you have specifics? Which vendors, which platforms, what impact? > > > > I believe the Juniper PTX "supports" prefixes between /65 and /126 by > putting them into the exact match table instead of the routing table. As > you can imagine, that table is... smaller However, given the intended

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Pilgrim
On 2013-06-02 16:43, Sander Steffann wrote: Hi, Op 3 jun. 2013, om 00:26 heeft Brian E Carpenter het volgende geschreven: On 03/06/2013 10:06, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: 2013/6/2 Brian E Carpenter : I'm not sure about other switches, but for the Catalyst 3750/3750G, it means some quirks wi

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, Op 3 jun. 2013, om 00:26 heeft Brian E Carpenter het volgende geschreven: > On 03/06/2013 10:06, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: >> 2013/6/2 Brian E Carpenter : I'm not sure about other switches, but for the Catalyst 3750/3750G, it means some quirks with IPv6 ACLs. The 3750/3750D can

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 03/06/2013 10:06, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > 2013/6/2 Brian E Carpenter : >>> I'm not sure about other switches, but for the Catalyst 3750/3750G, it >>> means some quirks with IPv6 ACLs. The 3750/3750D can do ACLs on full >>> /128's, but only if the lower 64 bits are EUI64. >> Huh? How can i

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 03/06/2013 08:49, Darren Pilgrim wrote: ... > I'm not sure about other switches, but for the Catalyst 3750/3750G, it > means some quirks with IPv6 ACLs. The 3750/3750D can do ACLs on full > /128's, but only if the lower 64 bits are EUI64. Huh? How can it possibly know that? (see draft-ietf-6

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Pilgrim
On 2013-06-02 13:49, Darren Pilgrim wrote: means some quirks with IPv6 ACLs. The 3750/3750D can do ACLs on full Correction, 3750/3750G.

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Pilgrim
On 2013-06-02 13:14, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 05:49:05PM +0200, Ivan Pepelnjak wrote: I thought it was urban lore until I started digging into data sheets for various DC switches covered in my DC Fabrics webinar (yeah, couldn't resist ;) All high-speed DC switches use s

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Benedikt Stockebrand
Hi Gert and list, Gert Doering writes: > (Is there an implementation that can use an ethernet link as a true p2p > medium without ND? just for completeness sake: PPPoE? > Could be made work by putting the receiving PHY into > promiscuous mode to receive "anything that comes in" and sending wi

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 05:49:05PM +0200, Ivan Pepelnjak wrote: > I thought it was urban lore until I started digging into data sheets for > various DC switches covered in my DC Fabrics webinar (yeah, couldn't resist ;) > > All high-speed DC switches use some variant of TCAM-based forwarding

RE: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Ivan Pepelnjak
The "only" difference is that instead of attacking the target router, you're attacking a device somewhere in the path that just happens to have a /127 prefix for the target router in its RIB (but not TCAM). Ivan > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-ops-bounces+ipepelnjak=gmail@lists.cl

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Ole Troan
Jared, >> If you are talking about router to router links, then typicall little >> traffic is forwarded to any of the link addresses. This should generally not >> be a concern. > > Except when someone decides to 'attack' them. Then you can see a lot of > traffic. sure, but then it is no dif

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread cb.list6
On Jun 2, 2013 11:18 AM, wrote: > > > > > Subnet anycast is not a supported feature or requirment in my network. > > > > > > As subnet anycast is a integral part of IPv6, you might not want to > > > support or require it, but the gear will implement it and thus one point > > > it will bite you as

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread sthaug
> > > Subnet anycast is not a supported feature or requirment in my network. > > > > As subnet anycast is a integral part of IPv6, you might not want to > > support or require it, but the gear will implement it and thus one point > > it will bite you as suddenly it won't work. > > > > Likely thou

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 1, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Ole Troan wrote: > If you are talking about router to router links, then typicall little traffic > is forwarded to any of the link addresses. This should generally not be a > concern. Except when someone decides to 'attack' them. Then you can see a lot of traffi

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 05:49:05PM +0200, Ivan Pepelnjak wrote: > Do I have to go into what happens when a switch runs out of TCAM? Vendors usually describe what happens "carrier grade". :-) SCNR & in vacation mood, Daniel

RE: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Ivan Pepelnjak
I thought it was urban lore until I started digging into data sheets for various DC switches covered in my DC Fabrics webinar (yeah, couldn't resist ;) All high-speed DC switches use some variant of TCAM-based forwarding. Most of them have shared TCAM for IPv4 and IPv6 with IPv6 table size being

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 06:18:33AM +, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > I am sure that you know: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsec-lla-only-03 which is > one way of fixing the 'scanning' problem. OTOH, AFAIK most routers > not only allow for a /127 on a PtP (or even Ethernet) inte

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 01:56:23PM -0700, Jeroen Massar wrote: > One thing to keep in mind though is that quite some gear is optimized > upto the first /64 bits, and might use slower paths for longer prefixes, I keep hearing this statement, but so far, have never heard specifics about "which

Re: Point-to-point /64

2013-06-02 Thread Wade Roberts
My preferred method of implementing point to point links is allocate a /64 to the link, then configure a /127 on the interfaces and null route the /64 on the devices. This leaves the rest of your IGP to only have to deal with /64 and smaller masks, which is likely to be more optimal. If you're