macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Holger Zuleger
Hi, I just realized that the permanent interface identifier of my MAC has changed after upgrading to OS 10.12 (I guess). The output of ifconfig shows a new "secured" flag at the permanent address. $ ifconfig en0 | grep inet6 | \ > sed "s/2[^:]*:[^:]*:[^:]*:[^:]*:/:/" inet6 fe80::c54:6333:ac

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-12-14 11:55, Holger Zuleger wrote: > Hi, > > I just realized that the permanent interface identifier of my MAC has > changed after upgrading to OS 10.12 (I guess). > > The output of ifconfig shows a new "secured" flag at the permanent address. > $ ifconfig en0 | grep inet6 | \ >> se

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Matthew Ford
> On 14 Dec 2016, at 10:55, Holger Zuleger wrote: > > Hi, > > I just realized that the permanent interface identifier of my MAC has > changed after upgrading to OS 10.12 (I guess). > > The output of ifconfig shows a new "secured" flag at the permanent address. > $ ifconfig en0 | grep inet6 | \

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Holger Zuleger
Hi Jeroen, >> I found two or three posts in the internet, all mentioning (or hoping) >> that this is related to a change to RFC7217 as default IID mechanism. >> >> But one guy sad, that the source code (of 10.11) shows, that this is a >> cryptographic generated interface identifier for SeND (RFC39

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Holger Zuleger
Thanks Mat, > man ifconfig says: > > " insecure > Disable the processing of Secure Neighbor Discovery (SEND). > > -insecure > Do not disabled the processing of Secure Neighbor Discovery > (SEND).” I thought, that "secured" means, that -insecure is set. B

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Tim Chown
Hi, > On 14 Dec 2016, at 11:08, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > On 2016-12-14 11:55, Holger Zuleger wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just realized that the permanent interface identifier of my MAC has >> changed after upgrading to OS 10.12 (I guess). >> >> The output of ifconfig shows a new "secured" flag at th

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-12-14 12:25, Holger Zuleger wrote: > Hi Jeroen, > >>> I found two or three posts in the internet, all mentioning (or hoping) >>> that this is related to a change to RFC7217 as default IID mechanism. >>> >>> But one guy sad, that the source code (of 10.11) shows, that this is a >>> cryptogr

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Holger Zuleger
> Interesting - I’d also assumed the new form of address was RFC 7217 Yes, especially as draft-ietf-6man-default-iids recommends this as default generation scheme. > support. I don’t think any other common OS implements SeND, does it? Not that I'm aware of, so I was on the way to bury the idea of

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-12-14 12:40, Jeroen Massar wrote: [..] >> There is another sysctl parameter (opmode) but unclear what 1 (or 0) means: >> $ sysctl net.inet6.send >> net.inet6.send.opstate: 1 >> net.inet6.send.opmode: 1 > > There is no documentation at all about these things, hence, nothing one > can say ab

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Jeroen Massar
[..] > Actually, it is not a stable address as some have found out (read: > anecdotal), they also change at re-install and there are a couple of > other possibilities from what I recall. >From xnu-3248.60.10/bsd/netinet6/in6_ifattach.c: 8< /* * Generate a last-resort interfac

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-12-14 13:10, Jeroen Massar wrote: > [..] >> Actually, it is not a stable address as some have found out (read: >> anecdotal), they also change at re-install and there are a couple of >> other possibilities from what I recall. > > From xnu-3248.60.10/bsd/netinet6/in6_ifattach.c: And after

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Jens Link
Holger Zuleger writes: > It seems that some implementation for Linux exist, and also an Windows > Application (see page 23 on > http://www.rmv6tf.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IPv6_SeND_PPT1.pdf) And the slides lead to: https://github.com/TrustRouter/TrustRouter "TrustRouter will be available

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-12-14 13:26, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2016-12-14 13:10, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> [..] >>> Actually, it is not a stable address as some have found out (read: >>> anecdotal), they also change at re-install and there are a couple of >>> other possibilities from what I recall. >> >> From xnu-32

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On 14 Dec 2016, at 11:45, Holger Zuleger wrote: support. I don’t think any other common OS implements SeND, does it? Not that I'm aware of, so I was on the way to bury the idea of secure neighbor discovery. It seems that some implementation for Linux exist, and also an Windows Application (see

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Fernando Gont
On 12/14/2016 08:08 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2016-12-14 11:55, Holger Zuleger wrote: >> Hi, [] > > As then you only get the DHCPd address (requires DHCPv6 server) on > your interface and not all the other magic ones that change all the time > and are extremely useless if you want to A

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Fernando Gont
On 12/14/2016 08:25 AM, Holger Zuleger wrote: >>> Has anyone more information about this? Especially how to configure it? >> >> The only trick I found out was: >> >> https://twitter.com/tweetsix/status/77861562571649 >> 8<--- >> Also who has typed: "sudo sysctl -w net.inet6.ip6.maxifprefixe

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Fernando Gont
On 12/14/2016 08:31 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Hi, > >> On 14 Dec 2016, at 11:08, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> >> On 2016-12-14 11:55, Holger Zuleger wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just realized that the permanent interface identifier of my MAC has >>> changed after upgrading to OS 10.12 (I guess). >>> >>> The

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Fernando Gont
On 12/14/2016 08:40 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2016-12-14 12:25, Holger Zuleger wrote: >> Hi Jeroen, >> I found two or three posts in the internet, all mentioning (or hoping) that this is related to a change to RFC7217 as default IID mechanism. But one guy sad, that the sourc

Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?

2016-12-14 Thread Fernando Gont
On 12/14/2016 05:07 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On 14 Dec 2016, at 11:45, Holger Zuleger wrote: > >>> support. I don’t think any other common OS implements SeND, does it? >> Not that I'm aware of, so I was on the way to bury the idea of secure >> neighbor discovery. >> >> It seems that some implem

default IID mechanism (was Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?)

2016-12-15 Thread Holger Zuleger
>> My info is, to set >> sysctl -w net.inet6.send.opstate=0 >> to go back to mac address based eui64, but didn't checked it. > > Please don't resort to eui64. That's a bad idea. See RFC7721 and RFC707 Hmm, yes but from an operating view... In case of re-numbering your network, RFC72177217 (

Re: default IID mechanism (was Re: macos Sierra with CGA address?)

2016-12-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 16/12/2016 00:12, Holger Zuleger wrote: > >>> My info is, to set >>> sysctl -w net.inet6.send.opstate=0 >>> to go back to mac address based eui64, but didn't checked it. >> >> Please don't resort to eui64. That's a bad idea. See RFC7721 and RFC707 > Hmm, yes but from an operating view... >