teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-11 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Anyone found out what happened with teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com ? http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.heise.de/netze/meldung/IPv6-Tunnel-Microsofts-Teredo-Server-nicht-erreichbar-1915972.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dteredo%2Bmicrosoft%2Bipv6%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1303%

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-11 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > Anyone found out what happened with teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com ? > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.heise.de/netze/meldung/IPv6-Tunnel-Microsofts-Teredo-Server-nicht-erreichbar-1915972.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dteredo%2Bmicrosoft%2Bipv6%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26b

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-13 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Thanks for the update Sander. The following seems to have the full info. http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ipv6.br/teredo-sunset-mais-um-passo-na-transicao-para-o-ipv6/ At the same time, i'm thinking out loud... Wh

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-14 Thread Ignatios Souvatzis
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:39:12PM +0300, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: > At the same time, i'm thinking out loud... > Why would a windows application send an a request to an IPv6 DNS > server over native IPv6 in order to find the IPv4 address of a > server and get IPv6 over IPv4 connectivity? W

RE: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-16 Thread Christopher Palmer
4, 2013 11:52 PM To: ipv6-ops@lists.cluenet.de Subject: Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off? On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:39:12PM +0300, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: > At the same time, i'm thinking out loud... > Why would a windows application send an a request to an IPv6 DNS > se

RE: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-16 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Christopher Palmer wrote: If there is feedback on the ongoing experiment or our consideration of sunsetting Teredo, do let me know. So far people have been quite enthusiastic. I am too. I would really like to see 6to4 and teredo be default off everywhere, and people who

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Ignatios Souvatzis
Hello, On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:27:54PM +, Christopher Palmer wrote: > I am "acking" this thread. > > If there is feedback on the ongoing experiment or our consideration > of sunsetting Teredo, do let me know. > > So far people have been quite enthusiastic. Let me ask one thing... a coup

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Broersma
On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Christopher Palmer wrote: > >> If there is feedback on the ongoing experiment or our consideration of >> sunsetting Teredo, do let me know. >> >> So far people have been quite enthusiastic. > > I am too. I would re

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2013-07-17 15:09 , Ron Broersma wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Christopher Palmer wrote: >> >>> If there is feedback on the ongoing experiment or our >>> consideration of sunsetting Teredo, do let me know. >>> >>> So far people ha

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Jens Link
Jeroen Massar writes: > Windows boxes that are in an Active Domain (which should match your > 'enterprise net') have Teredo and 6to4 disabled per default. Sure about that? IIRC this depends on the Windows version. And I think I have seen Win 2008R2 Servers within an AD, with at least 6to4 enable

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Enno Rey
Ron, > >>> I am too. I would really like to see 6to4 and teredo be default off > >>> everywhere, and people who want it can manually turn it on. If > >>> teredo went away completely, that would also be a good thing. > >> > >> Strongly concur here as well. One less thing I have to disable on > >>

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Enno Rey
Hi, off the top of my head it's roughly as follows: a) 6to4 Win7/Server 2008 generation and before: "if IPv4 address = Non-RFC 1918 address, automatically enable 6to4 and try to resolve 6to4.ipv6.microsoft.com to get 'nearest relay'". no idea as for Win8/Server 2012. b) Teredo Vista: enable

RE: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
t 2013 15:20 > To: Ron Broersma > Cc: Christopher Palmer; ipv6-ops@lists.cluenet.de; Mikael Abrahamsson > Subject: Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off? > > On 2013-07-17 15:09 , Ron Broersma wrote: > > > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > >

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Broersma
On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2013-07-17 15:09 , Ron Broersma wrote: >> >> On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Christopher Palmer wrote: >>> If there is feedback on the ongoing experiment or our consideration of

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Jens Link
Jens Link writes: as I like to talk to myself >> There's quite some debate which approach to use due to operational >> practices and MS telling people "not to 'fully' disable IPv6 as you >> might lose support for $SYSTEM". > > I'm still looking for a source too. http://technet.microsoft.

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Ron Broersma
>> There's quite some debate which approach to use due to operational >> practices and MS telling people "not to 'fully' disable IPv6 as you >> might lose support for $SYSTEM". > > I'm still looking for a source too. Rumors have it that the Windows 7 > roll out here (large enterprise customer) wi

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Jens Link
Enno Rey writes: Hi, > There's quite some debate which approach to use due to operational > practices and MS telling people "not to 'fully' disable IPv6 as you > might lose support for $SYSTEM". I'm still looking for a source too. Rumors have it that the Windows 7 roll out here (large enterpri

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Enno Rey
Hi, thanks for that link. big questions is: what means "disabling IPv6" in those contexts? unchecking IPv6 in GUI based interface properties? setting "DisabledComponents" to 0xfff? using some netsh-based approach? from what I hear: "as long as you can successfully ping ::1, IPv6 is considere

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 17/07/2013 19:13, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote: ... > Let me ask one thing... a couple of years ago, when I read the > specification of Teredo, I was quite impressed by the details (If > you accept the premise that you have to work around being jailed > behind an IPv4 NAT) put into the protocol. On

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-17 Thread Martin Millnert
On 17 jul 2013, at 23:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 17/07/2013 19:13, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote: > ... > >> Let me ask one thing... a couple of years ago, when I read the >> specification of Teredo, I was quite impressed by the details (If >> you accept the premise that you have to work aro

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-18 Thread Phil Mayers
On 17/07/13 21:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 17/07/2013 19:13, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote: ... Let me ask one thing... a couple of years ago, when I read the specification of Teredo, I was quite impressed by the details (If you accept the premise that you have to work around being jailed behind

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-18 Thread Tim Chown
On 18 Jul 2013, at 11:29, Phil Mayers wrote: > On 17/07/13 21:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> On 17/07/2013 19:13, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote: >> ... >> >>> Let me ask one thing... a couple of years ago, when I read the >>> specification of Teredo, I was quite impressed by the details (If >>> you

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 18/07/2013 22:40, Tim Chown wrote: > On 18 Jul 2013, at 11:29, Phil Mayers wrote: > >> On 17/07/13 21:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> On 17/07/2013 19:13, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote: >>> ... >>> Let me ask one thing... a couple of years ago, when I read the specification of Teredo, I

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-19 Thread Marco Sommani
On 18/lug/2013, at 22:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Wait... I had the impression that iff there was no other IPv6 connectivity, > Teredo was used in older Windows because of the generic "prefer IPv6" rule. > The default RFC 3484 table covers 6to4 but not Teredo. > > Recent Windows deprefs Tered

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-19 Thread Martin Millnert
On 19 jul 2013, at 11:30, Marco Sommani wrote: > On 18/lug/2013, at 22:09, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: > >> Wait... I had the impression that iff there was no other IPv6 connectivity, >> Teredo was used in older Windows because of the generic "prefer IPv6" rule. >> The default RFC 3484 table co

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-19 Thread Marco Sommani
On 19/lug/2013, at 10:50, Martin Millnert wrote: > On 19 jul 2013, at 11:30, Marco Sommani wrote: > >> On 18/lug/2013, at 22:09, Brian E Carpenter >> wrote: >> >>> Wait... I had the impression that iff there was no other IPv6 connectivity, >>> Teredo was used in older Windows because of the

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-19 Thread Phil Mayers
On 07/18/2013 09:09 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Wait... I had the impression that iff there was no other IPv6 connectivity, Teredo was used in older Windows because of the generic "prefer IPv6" rule. The default RFC 3484 table covers 6to4 but not Teredo. AFAIK, every version of windows (i.e.

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-19 Thread Tim Chown
On 19 Jul 2013, at 10:34, Phil Mayers wrote: > On 07/18/2013 09:09 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Wait... I had the impression that iff there was no other IPv6 connectivity, >> Teredo was used in older Windows because of the generic "prefer IPv6" rule. >> The default RFC 3484 table covers 6t

Re: teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com off?

2013-07-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 19/07/2013 22:15, Tim Chown wrote: > On 19 Jul 2013, at 10:34, Phil Mayers wrote: > >> On 07/18/2013 09:09 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >>> Wait... I had the impression that iff there was no other IPv6 connectivity, >>> Teredo was used in older Windows because of the generic "prefer IPv6" r