Two wrongs don't make a right
Paul
On 9/24/07, Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul Walker,
You mention respect. Where is the respect the IBOC stations show other
stations on adjacents? The big boys just turn it on and the noise is
there.
73,
Patrick
Paul,
Stations cheat.
Case in point... WBCA 1110 Bay Minette, AL. They have been fined
multiple times for it.
Kevin
On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right
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Paul,
Stations cheat.
Case in point... WBCA 1110 Bay Minette, AL. They have been fined
multiple times for it.
Kevin
On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Paul B
--- kevin redding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul,
Stations cheat.
Case in point... WBCA 1110 Bay Minette, AL. They
have been fined multiple times for it.
That's for sure. Willful and repeated.
One afternoon I home on a day off and the phone rang.
Looking at the Caller ID it was the
Yeha, stations cheat.. but it doesn't make it right just because your
neighbor down the street does it.
paul
On 9/25/07, kevin redding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul,
Stations cheat.
Case in point... WBCA 1110 Bay Minette, AL. They have been fined
multiple times for it.
Kevin
Powell,
I know what you mean. I had been commenting to FCC about an FM pirate, and
one day I got a phone call. I looked at Caller ID and also felt like I came to
attention. The pirate's gone too!
Mike
Powell E. Way III W4OPW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- kevin redding wrote:
When I worked at another station, we once got a phone call around 11pm at
night from a (202) 418 area code/prefix which is the FCC.
We got the same call about a month later from the same number.
Apparently tower lights were out on the 800+ foot tall tower of our FM
sister station in another
When I worked at KVAS Astoria as a kid in the early 70s, I just missed
an FCC visit (In those days they did not have to call for an appt like
today). Fortunately the boss and owner of the station was there and
Chuck ran a tight ship, so no issues. But I can understand as a young
person the FCC
in the NW 1/4 of our country.
73 KAZ Barrington IL
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Bill Harms said:
I mentioned to him that WOR was getting clobbered by its neighbors on 700
and 720 when they turn
on THEIR IBOC. I was not complaining about WOR itself running IBOC.
I had miscontrued his reported remarks as if he didn't care if his IBOC
signal interferred with other stations,
Have we become so politically correct now that we can't call a spade a
spade? Of course there are stations that cheat. And probably the easiest
ones to determine are the HSFB cheaters. I'm not complaining about that.
I've managed to log a few new ones because of it. I wish more stations
--- Neil Kazaross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately gents, in most cases, and I am not
referring to HSFB or an
occasional other local sports event, many stations
continue to operate with
day rig at night, or in some cases simply don't
bother to sign off at all,
including some of
Foxy writes: I think I can claim the earliest known instance of what some have
referred to as Cheating. I think it was in 1959, when I was still in
high school.
I was still in high school when I heard KXRN-1220, Renton, Wash., doing an HSFB
game at night, well past sunset. I graduated from
Foxy writes: I think I can claim the earliest known instance of what
some have
referred to as Cheating. I think it was in 1959, when I was still in
high school.
I was still in high school when I heard KXRN-1220, Renton, Wash.,
doing an HSFB game at night, well past sunset. I graduated from
Rene,
The masses still rule in our country. But unfortunately few will take
the bull by the horns to protest something. We are all so law abiding
and civilized. Gone are the days of the Boston Tea Party types. I wish
we had more like those. I can just imagine what some of our forefathers
would
What an intriguing thought!
Now, if you wanted to achieve the same effect without breaking any rules,
you could all switch formats to overmodulated Sinaloan tuba music for one
night and create almost the same amount of adjacent-channel havoc that your
pushy IBOC neighbors are inflicting on you!
So, you want stations to cheat and break the law just for your benefit?
great idea!
Are you going to pay their fine when they get nabbed by the FCC?
And you said, Why should we let a lurker from some other list determine
what is said on
the DX lists?
It's called RESPECT. No matter who is or
Paul,
That is how this country was built, on breaking the rules. If everyone
would have abided by the law, we would still be owned by the British. My
feeling on IBOC, anything goes to put a stop to it. As far as fines go,
protest those too. Refuse to pay them. The FCC does not have the power
to
Paul B Walker, Jr. wrote:
Are you going to pay their fine when they get nabbed by the FCC?
No. And they probably aren't either, since the FCC doesn't seem to be in
any hurry to nab anyone.
It's called RESPECT. No matter who is or isnt on the list, we need to
respect others, snip
Respect has
Tim Hall's intriguing thought: perhaps an all-Yoko Ono format would be a more
accurate
match for the musical contours of IBOC hash.
Or Beijing opera, Firedrake style.
Q.R.M. via Qal R. Mann
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Not a lot of difference, there, sometimes.
Gerry
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What wonderful ideas Patrick, it's a good thing you don't own any radio
stations or govern this country.
I'm far from perfect, but cheating and purposuly breaking the laws just
because the other guy is won't solve anything
Paul
On 9/24/07, Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul,
That
Where's Tiny Tim when we need him?
John Callarman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Hall's intriguing thought:
perhaps an all-Yoko Ono format would be a more accurate
match for the musical contours of IBOC hash.
Or Beijing opera, Firedrake style.
Q.R.M. via Qal R. Mann
Paul Walker,
You mention respect. Where is the respect the IBOC stations show other
stations on adjacents? The big boys just turn it on and the noise is
there.
73,
Patrick
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Paul,
That is exactly what the Germans did and you know what Hitler did a few
years later. I am not for breaking laws, but if push gets to shove,
then somethings gotta give. Our country has become a bunch of whips. No
one stands up for what they think. They go and hide in the corner.
In the
Craig,
True, we may helped some stations that had an issue with being on high
power. I remember one station I called and mentioned it to the CE that
they were on full power AN and he checked and sure enough there was
hickup in the timer. I have no issue with posting a station is on high
power as
Tim,
I know the HS FB rule as we used it back in the 70s when I worked at
KVAS Astoria. The salesmen would sell the spots and the advertiser would
want to hear his spots during the game. If we dropped power at LSS to
250w, the station was gone 5-10 miles out of town, so we stayed on 1 KW
until
--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We seem to have a certain amount of CEs in this
day that know all
about DXIng and most are active Hams. Yet they
refuse to QSL reports. I
would think the CEs that are Hams would be more than
happy to QSL, but
they don't. A far cry from 40 years
The FCC decision regarding implementation of nighttime IBOC resulted from
political pressure from the radio industry. BPL (broad band over power
line) was also implemented through political pressure from the power
utilities. If IBOC doesn't collapse from the weight of its own problems, as
BPL
For the record, the complainer was probably me. I told Mr. Ray that
WOR's signal does a credible job here in Maryland, especially during
drive-time and is even audible in the daytime. I mentioned to him that
WOR was getting clobbered by its neighbors on 700 and 720 when they turn
on THEIR IBOC. I
Please delete the previous message from the archives. I hit the send
button too soon and made a serious mistake. My apologies to Mr. Ray.
Bill Harms wrote:
For the record, the complainer was probably me. I told Mr. Ray that
WOR's signal does a credible job here in Maryland, especially during
Martin,
Thank you for your comments on the hobby as a whole. I TOTALLY agree
with you. The DX lists have become a place to complain on everything and
anything. I delete a lot of e mails myself as they are not DX worthy.
The C term I mentioned was because as not using it, is good for all
of us.
--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The general thought still seems to be that FM
IBOC has a chance, but
AM IBOC will not be around long. I hope they are
right too.
I don't know how many engineers see our postings
on other lists, but
I know of several who has forwarded me
Thank you Martin,
Could not have said better myself.
73 de Joe
--- Martin and Wendy Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I don't like to see the Cheater term used on the
list. It's an accusation
of intentional illegal operation that is not
necessarily true.
Very good comments. But both the IRCA NRC lists are indeed Googled.
10
minutes after I post something on either list, it ends up on
broadcasting lists per several engineers I know. They see and read all
about us and what we hear and report. That is another reason I try to
Patrick
This
I didn't see a reference to a specific list, so maybe hard-core-dx is the list
he's referring to, and maybe not. It is a broadcasting list, but without
specifics its hard to tell.
Mike
Bob Foxworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This implies either (1) that the DXer posting to a DX list has
I know the HS FB rule as we used it back in the 70s when I worked at
KVAS Astoria. The salesmen would sell the spots and the advertiser
would
want to hear his spots during the game. If we dropped power at LSS to
250w, the station was gone 5-10 miles out of town, so we stayed on 1
KW
until the
--- Bob Foxworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DXer
re-posting that material to a broadcasting list - or - (2) that a
reader of
a broadcasting list (there is Broadcast, RT and the AF that I know
of)
is reading the DX list and importing comments from the DX list onto
the broadcasting list.
--- Joe Miller, KJ8O [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Martin,
--- Martin and Wendy Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I don't like to see the Cheater term used on the
list. It's an accusation
of intentional illegal operation that is not
necessarily true.
There are a few stations
Patrick:
I beg to differ.
First, Google does not have any hits for direct posts to the IRCA list.
(Unless they are kindly eliminating hits for Patrick Martin IRCA and
Chuck Hutton IRCA.)
Second, Google does not crawl the net and retrieve new material every 10
minutes.
Third, the broadcast
I didn't see a reference to a specific list, so maybe hard-core-dx is
the list he's referring to, and maybe not. It is a broadcasting list,
but without specifics its hard to tell.
Mike
Bob Foxworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This implies either (1) that the DXer posting to a DX list has
But we really shouldn't talk about KRXR - 1480 - Gooding, Idaho, should we?
Mike
Powell E. Way III W4OPW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are a few stations that deserve to be called
cheaters. These are always small non cluster stations.
They infact, ought to change their format to all
Newest I could find were two posts from yesterday. Give it time...
Chuck Hutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd love to be proven wrong by having you show me a Google hit for this post
10 minutes after it appears.
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Thank you Martin,
Could not have said better
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But we really shouldn't talk about KRXR - 1480 - Gooding, Idaho, should
we?
Mike
Powell E. Way III W4OPW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are a few stations that deserve to be called
cheaters. These are always small non cluster
Bob,
I remember staying at Kona on the Big Island and the gal at the desk at
the motel was from Gearhart OR (2 miles North of Seaside), so yopu never
know where the World might lead you.
As faras Google, I don't remember the list that the engineer
forwarded to me, but it was some Broadcast
Chuck,
I wish I would have kept the e mail that he sent me, but I never thought
it would spark any interest several years later. I never doubted the
comment, so I never checked it out. But the engineer knew all about us,
viewing the posts that were both on the IRCA NRC lists. I do remember
Mike,
KRXR 1480 is one I would say they would fit that catagory.
Patrick
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KRXR is not on with full power as often as they used to be. But their
93watts does get out pretty well.
73,
Patrick
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The reason I am so sensitive on the term is what I have heard from
people like Les. There have been a lot of negative things sent to radio
stations in the past few years and some stations have been so turned off
that they will not even respond to QSL requests any longer. Some
engineers are
Craig,
Everything that is posted here can be searched for on Google. Its always
unsettling to be doing a search and see your own post come up. They do.
Everything that is here goes to www.hard-core-dx.com, and that means Google
crawlers hit it. What I am not clear on (and I'm not sure
Craig,
Very good comments. But both the IRCA NRC lists are indeed Googled. 10
minutes after I post something on either list, it ends up on
broadcasting lists per several engineers I know. They see and read all
about us and what we hear and report. That is another reason I try to
keep away from
Good discussion.
I think the glitches that happen and only last a night or two are kind of
fun - mini-DX tests really. As long as the station figures it out (or reads
it here) and corrects the problem, no foul. I'm not perfect either (no
matter what everyone says, LOL). These short-term
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