Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-03-01 Thread Paolo Ciccone
> "GG" == Gerald Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GG> Unfortunately those, such as yourself, who understand and care GG> about what's involved only constitute the minority .. the GG> "java-elite". I know many programming gurus at Motorola where GG> I work that can't care

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-27 Thread Gerald Gutierrez
At 08:45 AM 2/26/99 -0800, you wrote: >> "GG" == Gerald Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >GG> Then the web page is only providing most potential users with >GG> a table full of colors and very little information for which >GG> they then look on the mailing list. > >I disagree,

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-26 Thread Paolo Ciccone
> "GG" == Gerald Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GG> Then the web page is only providing most potential users with GG> a table full of colors and very little information for which GG> they then look on the mailing list. I disagree, having that page with the table that shows

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-26 Thread Gerald Gutierrez
>Please understand that we're doing what we can. Yes I understand and appreciate your effort. I'm sure you can understand my intentions as well. I am only trying to influence those whom I see as threats to your effort to change for the better. >I think it's pretty common knowledge now that sche

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-26 Thread Gerald Gutierrez
While I understand the pure "netiquette" viewpoint and would tend to believe that it would be best in an ideal world, this is not the ideal world and I cannot agree with it. One cannot expect everyone to follow the rules. If the mailing list is only willing to cater to people who do-it-right, it

RE: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-25 Thread Steve Delahunty
FYI: I have an application using JDK1.2 on Digital UNIX 4.0D. -Original Message- From: Jean-Pierre Dube [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages Hi, After following this story about the port. I

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread Paolo Ciccone
> "GG" == Gerald Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GG> I'm starting to get the feeling that many in this group are GG> approaching "when will 1.2 be out" messages with a very GG> disheartening attitude that will surely turn potential users GG> off. GG> They ask becaus

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread Bruce R Miller
On Feb 24, 12:08am, John Goerzen wrote: > Subject: Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages > Gerald Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm starting to get the feeling that many in this group are approaching > > "when will 1.2 be out" messages with a very d

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Dube
Hi, After following this story about the port. I blame is SUN for not doing his job. SUN should have taken the Linux platform seriously from the start and provided the porting team with early betas. They are in a war with Micro$oft and their only way to beat them right now is not with Solaris but

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread Dimitris Vyzovitis
Christopher Rowan wrote: John - Gerald has a very good point that you may have missed. To further emellish, turning people off to Java or Linux with impolite messages raises the bar for adoption of both.  From this, no one benefits. Common netiquitte calls for RTFM first.  However, Gerald's point

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread Christopher Rowan
John - Gerald has a very good point that you may have missed. To further emellish, turning people off to Java or Linux with impolite messages raises the bar for adoption of both. From this, no one benefits. Common netiquitte calls for RTFM first. However, Gerald's point reminds us of somethin

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread Nelson Minar
Gerald Gutierrez writes: >What I propose is simple. FIRST, for every message regarding the >status of JDK1.2 on Linux, refer the inquirer to the 1.2 Status web >page, and refain from degrading the reply by any of your personal >comments. SECOND, the web page should provide a best guess as to when

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread Peter T Mount
I'm in the same boat as a lot of people, who need 1.2 for various projects. However, as a short term measure, I came up with a simple (but not elagant) method using the dreaded Win32 port with Linux in control. I've placed the instructions on how I did this on my web site: http://www.re

Re: Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-24 Thread John Goerzen
Gerald Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm starting to get the feeling that many in this group are approaching > "when will 1.2 be out" messages with a very disheartening attitude that > will surely turn potential users off. Well let's see. Presumably to find out about the mailing list,

Hatred of 1.2 messages

1999-02-23 Thread Gerald Gutierrez
>Maybe we could add a "Asking when 1.2 will be done will result in >unsubscription from this list and subscription to as many AOL spam lists >as possible. Don't ask!!" I'm starting to get the feeling that many in this group are approaching "when will 1.2 be out" messages with a very dishearteni