Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-18 Thread vextor
>The comments regarding applets have nothing to do with C or JNI. Again I'm >trying to say that applets do not make sense in the context of HTML. It's >not Java's fault, it's just how things are. I don't see how this is true. HTTP is supposed to be a stateless, object- oriented protocol which

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-18 Thread wyrd
Chris Huebsch wrote: > AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. Are you sure you want to make such a generalization about Unix? I've got a couple of books that cover threads programming on Solaris. Is there something "unreal" about Solaris ( or UnixWare ) threads? -- wYRd.:|:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread Brett W. McCoy
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Nathan Meyers wrote: > Whoa... how did this discussion suddenly become religious? Whenever you mention a foreign language in a mailing list devoted to a certain language, it *always* becomes religious. Brett W. McCoy http:/

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread Matthew Hunter
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 10:37:53AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 09:51:51AM +0100, Chris Huebsch wrote: > > I know that Java is a VM, bytecode, etc. What I'm trying to say is that > this is irrelevant -- HTML and the Web are simply the wrong paradigm for > trying to deploy

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread John Goerzen
You are correct, Alex. Both Solaris and Linux support "real" threads, as do several other Unix OSs. We can go into detail if need be, but I hope we can spare the list that :-) On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 01:32:38PM +0300, Alex Romadinoff wrote: > >AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. For new r

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 09:51:51AM +0100, Chris Huebsch wrote: > The first is a "non-java-at-all" Server. It has to create a new process > when a request arives. Where? The system is almost at the limit? It is NO. I keep saying this and apparently nobody is listening. Let me give you URLs then

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread Christopher Rowan
Wht? Alex Romadinoff wrote: > > >AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. For new requests a new instance > > ? > >of the CGI is created with fork() or something like that? Now imagine a > >server with a load

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread Alex Romadinoff
>AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. For new requests a new instance ? >of the CGI is created with fork() or something like that? Now imagine a >server with a load around 99%. Are you sure ? What about 'clone

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread Chris Huebsch
Hello, let me contribute a word or two to this discussion... John Goerzen wrote: > > This is not really the point. The point is that for a heavily-loaded > server, even a small difference in performance can make a tremendous > difference in the system -- possibly the difference between running

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-17 Thread Nathan Meyers
Whoa... how did this discussion suddenly become religious? I daresay the readership of this group is here because they see a future for Java beyond its current problems. As a fan of both Java and Perl, I have absolutely no need to resolve the which-is-faster-and-better question once and for all;

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-16 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Feb 16, 1999 at 08:03:26PM -0500, Daniel W. Dulitz x108 wrote: > John, you wonder about the technical advantages of Java. Java is all > about balancing easy to write and easy to read code against runtime > performance. Think C versus assembly language. And the real question > is, "Is t

Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]

1999-02-16 Thread Daniel W. Dulitz x108
Kevin Hester writes: > John Goerzen writes: > > I would certainly not use Java for CGI. libapache-mod-perl, FastCGI, etc. > > if necessary. > > I'd definitely encourage anyone to use servlets with wild abandon. So easy > and clean - I haven't had to write CGI cruft in over a year. In exchange